Labour leadership

[Rob Ray]

I suppose so, in a way, but why is he now being said to be 'promising to sing it at future events'? That's just 'confirming' that the media have caught him out doing something shameful.

Major misstep if true imo, he's selling on being a conviction politician and this is one that causes the press more trouble than him in the long run if he sticks to his guns, because they'll simply come across as bullying someone with principles. Ditching his 30-year republican streak after a few bad headlines though? That'll sink him later on when the Sun calls him a flip-flopping opportunist with no idea what he's doing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Harford's R4 stats programme "More or less" did a piece on the (limited) potential of engaging non-voters given our pluralist, majoritarian electoral system.

BBC Radio 4 - More or Less, Is it worth targeting non-voters?

Define non-voters though. Plenty of them will be people who used to vote Labour but gave up for obvious, Ed Miliband shaped reasons.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Not to mention the however many young people who will be elligible to vote in 2020 who weren't in 2015. And the tories must lose a significant chunk of their support in each electoral cycle as large swathes of the 'old and bitter' population die off.

 

[cesare]

They don't all use it in a good way

Absolutely! cf Dawkins

 

[Diamond]

Got to say - really looking forward to this PMQs.

It's going to be fascinating to see the Cameron/Corbyn dynamic for the first time...

 

[brogdale]

Define non-voters though. Plenty of them will be people who used to vote Labour but gave up for obvious, Ed Miliband shaped reasons.

But, psephologically, it doesn't matter about their former motivations or inclinations; if they live in seats already held by Lab their re-engagement with the electoral process will have zero impact on the outcome.

 

[rutabowa]

what time's it on?

 

[belboid]

Define non-voters though. Plenty of them will be people who used to vote Labour but gave up for obvious, Ed Miliband shaped reasons.

people who did not vote in the 2015 general election.

 

[Diamond]

t-3 minutes

 

[peterkro]

what time's it on?

In three minutes.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Well this guy is a fucking plant.

 

[cesare]

anyone else having problems streaming parliamentlive.tv?

 

[SpookyFrank]

anyone else having problems streaming parliamentlive.tv?

it's on iplayer too but the stream is patchy. Lots of people wathcing I guess.

 

[brogdale]

Not to mention the however many young people who will be elligible to vote in 2020 who weren't in 2015. And the tories must lose a significant chunk of their support in each electoral cycle as large swathes of the 'old and bitter' population die off.

The notion that the 'output' of old tory voters exceeds the 'input' of new, younger ones is not borne out by the psephological evidence. The long, historic stability of tory electoral support between the 30-50% range is one of the most remarkable features of our electoral record.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

He got more cheers from the SNP didn't he? I'm liking the fact PMQs has become a sort of radio phone in though.

 

[brogdale]

Corbyn has made Cameron address the (claimed) named proposers of the questions. Clever; he can't then attack Corbyn.

The vermin are clearly under orders not to bray at Corbyn. Interesting.

 

[binka]

Not to mention the however many young people who will be elligible to vote in 2020 who weren't in 2015. And the tories must lose a significant chunk of their support in each electoral cycle as large swathes of the 'old and bitter' population die off.

but the young eventually become old and bitter too. plenty of my friends on fb were liking tory shit last election which they weren't doing in the previous one.

 

[SpookyFrank]

'Unlimited welfare' is the new tory buzz-phrase. Although of course there was no benefit cap a few years ago and benefits sure as fuck weren't unlimited back then.

 

[Rob Ray]

I have to say, very clever structuring from Corbyn at PMQs.

 

[peterkro]

Skinner is winding up to grabbing the Ham mannequin by the throat.
TvCatchup parliament channel is streaming fine by the way.

 

[belboid]

I have to say, very clever structuring from Corbyn at PMQs.

sadly, the questions are all really straightforward, and a piece of piss for poshboy to answer. Hopefully that'll get sorted over the next few weeks

 

[kebabking]

i agree its a good way of doing it, not only can Cameron not slag him down directly, but he's pushing Cameron far harder than he's been pushed before.

 

[belboid]

but he's pushing Cameron far harder than he's been pushed before.

sorry, but bollocks

 

[SpookyFrank]

Who's this twat?

 

[kebabking]

sorry, but bollocks

no, perhaps its just how poor Miliband was...

 

[brogdale]

sorry, but bollocks

Yeah, maybe...but the newbie asserted himself and changed the agenda...a bit. He did not fall flat on his arse, did he?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[SpookyFrank]

but he's pushing Cameron far harder than he's been pushed before.

Not from where I'm sitting. Today for Corbyn is about setting the tone, about looking like a proper party leader and not fucking anything up.

He's done well not to acknowledge any of Hameron's shite responses. These are all very formulaic, trying to turn everything back to the economy and referring to policies like the 'living wage' which have already been discredited by people who can count.

 

[Rob Ray]

sadly, the questions are all really straightforward, and a piece of piss for poshboy to answer. Hopefully that'll get sorted over the next few weeks

Doesn't really matter tbh, what Corbyn's doing is setting himself up as the means by which people enunciate the difficulties they're facing - "Maria and XXX thousand people say you're doing this wrong" followed by "blah blah economy." He's the avatar of righteous anger over very real problems (and everyone has them), Cameron's the excuse maker. Today without ever having to make a policy point of his own he was the defender of people with housing problems, mental health issues etc against a man whose main response was "get a job."

 

[cesare]

it's on iplayer too but the stream is patchy. Lots of people wathcing I guess.

It's much better than parliament tv, cheers