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JHE said:
I understand that some people sincerely think that the election of Corbyn will do the Labour Party great harm, that it will lose a lot of support. There may be truth in that. We'll see. I do think, though, when I read comments like yours, that there's a very big dollop of wishful thinking. You want the LP dead and tell yourself it is to make yourself happy.

It's far far too early to predict how the LP will do in 2020, but soon enough (in a week or so?) there will be a first indication of the Corbyn effect in the form of an opinion poll conducted after the election of Corbyn. If you are as confident as you want others to think you are, give us a (rough) prediction. In the last general election the Labour vote was about 30%, which is bad but far from dead. Do think that now that Corbyn is leader support is going to fall to 25%, 20%, 15%... ? What do you expect to show that the LP is dead or moribund?
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i don't give a shit, i just find it funny!! Politics is for wankers at the end of the day.


Internet vs Real world = huge difference.
 
It seems like the whole of the Press Corp, with the exception of columnists like Jones and Milne are against Corbyn, that in its self shows the lack of real democracy in this country.
 
DotCommunist said:
well if we want to be nitpicking about it thatchers gov reached out via clandestine means to PIRA first so this 'terror wrist lover' shit is hypocrisy. O noes he shook hands with a wrong un. They are doing both. Hamas lover, friend to the IRA. Won't stick though, nobody gives a shit, yesterdays news
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Actually a much better tack would be highlighting her governments active arming and directing of loyalist murder gangs . Something a bit more substantial than a handshake . It's been proven now pretty much. And Brig Gordon Kerr was appointed by, and reported directly to, the Tory cabinet .
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Real world = landslide Corbyn victory and the Labour party turning decisively away from Thatcherism/Blairism.

That is what has happened today. Tomorrow, who knows? You certainly don't.
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The way it looks to me - if we'd ended up with any of the other candidates, the political paradigm was going to remain intact, and the best we might have hoped for would have been a Labour party that continued only so slightly to the left of the Tories, continuing to look towards business and money rather than people.

At least this way, whatever pans out, we have a chance of it being different. And the right-wingers, prophesying doom? Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Real world = landslide Corbyn victory and the Labour party turning decisively away from Thatcherism/Blairism.

That is what has happened today. Tomorrow, who knows? You certainly don't.
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Also the pro Thatcherite labour party definitively wiped out in the Scottish landslide . That's the real world . 2 pro left anti Thatcherite landslides in the space of a few months that have stunned everyone.

Even John fucking major was complaining X factor and strictly come dancing were garnering more votes than mainstream politics .
 
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I think all those M.P's who voted for Burnham, Cooper or Kendall should be de-selected because of a serious lack of political judgement.

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ffsear said:
Best £3 i ever spent. and that wasn't a bet :)
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I do hope some idiot tories did fork out £3 and vote Corbyn.

They will not have changed the result. All they will have done is give him an even bigger victory and an even clearer mandate.

I know you're lying, but pretending for a second that you're not, I'll give you one of these :thumbs:
 
elbows said:
Ha, until just now I was unaware of this happening some days ago when Corbyn came to Nuneaton. A long walk of shame for that Tory press officer!

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What a weird little story. The Tory walked off as if he had been caught doing something shameful and Crick and his camera crew pursued and questioned him (harassed him, frankly) as if he were some crooked time-share salesman tracked down for having tricked pensioners out of their life savings. Is it now considered strange and wrong to go to your opponents' public meetings?
 
ffsear said:
Best £3 i ever spent. and that wasn't a bet :)
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I can recall the best three quid I ever spent. It was 2006, I was at camber sands. One fifty got me a portion of chips and the other half of the balance went on a pint sized tin of stella. I sat with my chips and my tin with my feet in the sea and watched the sun sink below the horizon as I composed verse in my head which was probably amazing but it didn't get written down so who knows, might have been waste and cliched. Either way it was a fucking good use of three quid. A lot better than your imaginary ho-ho labour sign up anyway. Shit even if you were genuine I still recon my chips/sea/stella is the better deal.
 
JHE said:
What a weird little story. The Tory walked off as if he had been caught doing something shameful and Crick and his camera crew pursued and questioned him (harassed him, frankly) as if he were some crooked time-share salesman tracked down for having tricked pensioners out of their life savings. Is it now considered strange and wrong to go to your opponents' public meetings?
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Well if nothing else the moral of the story is don't send press officers whose faces are known to journalists to opposition events, because its a really stupid thing to do. Crick isn't going to miss that sort of opportunity.
 
JHE said:
What a weird little story. The Tory walked off as if he had been caught doing something shameful and Crick and his camera crew pursued and questioned him (harassed him, frankly) as if he were some crooked time-share salesman tracked down for having tricked pensioners out of their life savings. Is it now considered strange and wrong to go to your opponents' public meetings?
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Exactly what I thought. Good practice to attend you'd think.
 
Puddy_Tat said:
the obvious question here is that if JC is so crap and unelectable, how come the tories' very rich friends who own the media (and their lapdogs at the BBC) are blatantly so afraid of him that they are going hysterical with smear stories?
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What they are concerned about is that an alternative narrative is being voiced compared to their usual propaganda. Both the BBC and Channel 4 news are evidently biased against Corbyn.
 
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