Labour leadership

[J Ed]

Former Torygraph journalist who resigned over their HSBC corruption has come out for Corbyn

 

[treelover]

Always thought Oborne was an interesting guy, real asset if he has moved to the left.

 

[brogdale]

Always thought Oborne was an interesting guy, real asset if he has moved to the left.

He hasn't. Did you read it?

 

[teqniq]

Even though he was working for the Torygraph when I first really became aware of him I thought his journalism showed a great deal of integrity.

 

[J Ed]

Graunid hustings is live now for anyone else who is terminally bored cleaning or whatever http://www.theguardian.com/membersh...n-live-labour-leadership-hustings-live-stream

 

[brogdale]

Graunid hustings is live now for anyone else who is terminally bored cleaning or whatever http://www.theguardian.com/membersh...n-live-labour-leadership-hustings-live-stream

How many of these fucking things are they planning on doing?

 

[J Ed]

Wow, Burnham and Kendall dogwhistle on race a lot more than I realised

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Their revelation is that voters choose by emotion and attitude rather than logic and policy? That's no revelation, that news is as old as the hills. People base their voting practice on what their perception of "people like them" vote for. This study is no different.

No, dammit. It reveals they are robots. Actual robots!

 

[J Ed]

The doublespeak Blairite transformation of internationalism = pro-EU/NATO is quite stunning

 

[agricola]

Graunid hustings is live now for anyone else who is terminally bored cleaning or whatever http://www.theguardian.com/membersh...n-live-labour-leadership-hustings-live-stream

The Corbyn effect is magnified about a thousand-fold when he is actually next to them.

 

[JimW]

Shower of twats.

 

[wtfftw]

No, dammit. It reveals they are robots. Actual robots!

Frakking toasters.

 

[Cid]

Or put even more simply, the Blairites are all fucking robots! Who identifies as having mathematical intelligence and good 'processing speed', for goodness' sake? Bunch of weirdos.

Dunno, but maybe people who use a strange attractor as their avatar...

 

[phildwyer]

He hasn't. Did you read it?

Well, he sort of has. Although he distances himself from Corbyn, he opposes British foreign policy and says he agrees with Corbyn's attempts to correct it--and most important, he wants Corbyn to win.

"Nevertheless Corbyn is our only current hope of any serious challenge to a failed orthodoxy. Blair and Cameron have both adopted a foreign policy based on subservience rather than partnership with the United States, which has done grave damage to British interests."

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/corbyn-troublemaker-1532484034#.dpuf

 

[nino_savatte]

Always thought Oborne was an interesting guy, real asset if he has moved to the left.

Ain't gonna happen.

I don't dig Oborne's politics, but he's a decent journalist and they're incredibly rare these days. Unlike some of the twats working for the BBC et al.

 

[J Ed]

Well, he sort of has. Although he distances himself from Corbyn, he opposes British foreign policy and says he agrees with Corbyn's attempts to correct it--and most important, he wants Corbyn to win.

Yes, there is nothing necessarily left-wing about his perspective on foreign policy. You can come from a totally different political philosophy and have views on foreign policy, or aspects of it, not dissimilar from Pilger or Chomsky. Farage's position on Ukraine and Greece has been pretty much in tandem with the consensus here, for example. It's just the product of a basic knowledge of history which is not informed by the establishment 'common sense' which necessitates an ignorance of that basic knowledge. You can see the same with others that most of us here find objectionable like Le Pen who recently claimed to support Podemos and Syriza over their far-right equivalents in Spain and Greece.

 

[brogdale]

Well, he sort of has. Although he distances himself from Corbyn, he opposes British foreign policy and says he agrees with Corbyn's attempts to correct it--and most important, he wants Corbyn to win.

"Nevertheless Corbyn is our only current hope of any serious challenge to a failed orthodoxy. Blair and Cameron have both adopted a foreign policy based on subservience rather than partnership with the United States, which has done grave damage to British interests."

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/corbyn-troublemaker-1532484034#.dpuf

Quite a convenient position, given his employ.

 

[J Ed]

Quite a convenient position, given his employ.

I have never heard of MiddleEastEye before, is the funding coming from somewhere in particular? Their wiki isn't very helpful

 

[mather]

Unlike some of the twats working for the BBC et al.

Or the Guardian.

 

[J Ed]

All I can find is this http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to-launch-controversial-uk-website

A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Jonathan Powell, an Al Jazeera employee since 2009, spent several months in the UK working on Middle East Eye, which promised “independently produced news, analysis and opinion” at its launch in April. MEE claims to have “no political master, movement or country”.

 

[nino_savatte]

Or the Guardian.

Too true.

 

[brogdale]

I have never heard of MiddleEastEye before, is the funding coming from somewhere in particular? Their wiki isn't very helpful

Me neither, and apart from the AJ link alluded to, I've no idea. It just struck me that an anti-US position might well play well to his new readership/employer.

 

[Patteran]

(they do produce some interesting content, & have been linked to a couple of times in syria/is/kurdish threads. i've looked online for funding clues, too, & found nowt beyond one named director, Jamal Bassasso - linked by odd right wing & pro UAE sites to the muslim brotherhood)

All I can find is this http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to-launch-controversial-uk-website

 

[agricola]

Quite a convenient position, given his employ.

Well yes, but it isn't as if he has modified his opinions because of who he works for.

 

[brogdale]

Well yes, but it isn't as if he has modified his opinions because of who he works for.

If so, that also gives the lie to the notion that Oborne's support of Corbyn's "anti-imperialist' outlook constitutes a 'move to the left' on his part.

 

[killer b]

only TL has suggested a move to the left tbf, which just shows they don't pay attention. This is entirely consistent with Oborne's politics.

 

[brogdale]

only TL has suggested a move to the left tbf, which just shows they don't pay attention. This is entirely consistent with Oborne's politics.

Yep, that's who I was addressing this conversation to.

 

[belboid]

Stella Creasy manages to be vaguely amusing in her campaign to lose the Deputy Leadership - http://www.stellacreasy.org.uk/unlu...-lessons-i-have-learned-with-kitten-pictures/

 

[frogwoman]

Labour could publish a monthly kitten picture

 

[Pickman's model]

only another fortnight to go