Labour leadership

[Wilf]

I've seen quite a few people commenting that they'd had issues with rejections due to their electoral role info not exactly matching with what Labour has.

I suspect Labour have been using a fairly crude filter to check the exact names and addresses against the electoral role, any discrepency and it gets rejected. There can also be delays between it going on the council electoral role, and making it to the electoral roles that the national parties can get access to.

Also quite a lot of union affiliates seemed to be doing the £3 thing as well just to be sure their union didn't cock it up, so that's probably a big source of duplicates.

ps I've been spending too much time reading through the comments threads on corbyn and the other candidates posts and elsewhere. It's oddly compelling.

The underlined bit adds to the idea of it being a massive own goal. If Labour could have ignored their Corbyn obsession, they'd at least have allowed 'genuine' applicants a way of getting round that. Very time consuming, but they should logically have rung up anyone with a minor discrepancy and ironed it out over the phone i.e. avoided treating them the same way the DWP treats claimants. Really good way of pissing people off.

It's also a massive number - registration started more slowly as did the rejections, so they must be rejecting about 4 or 5,000 a day now? Complete guess, but about the size of it.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Has Serwotka in any way supported TUSC?

a quick look at wikipedia (for what it's worth) says he has supported socialist alliance and respect.

 

[free spirit]

The underlined bit adds to the idea of it being a massive own goal. If Labour could have ignored their Corbyn obsession, they'd at least have allowed 'genuine' applicants a way of getting round that. Very time consuming, but they should logically have rung up anyone with a minor discrepancy and ironed it out over the phone i.e. avoided treating them the same way the DWP treats claimants. Really good way of pissing people off.

It's also a massive number - registration started more slowly as did the rejections, so they must be rejecting about 4 or 5,000 a day now? Complete guess, but about the size of it.

yep. It's the madness of having an appeals process that basically means you have to start a new registration as a full member, so for all applicants this happens to after the deadline there's no way of doing it and getting a vote.

Actually, I'm not sure if that's still the case with those refused for just not being on electoral role.

It's a bit of an odd rule to have really if part of the idea is to get disenfranchised people back involved.

 

[free spirit]

a quick look at wikipedia (for what it's worth) says he has supported socialist alliance and respect.

that'll probably be it then, especially if he signed anyone's papers.

 

[gosub]

He addressed Corbyn’s pledge to apologise on behalf of Labour for the Iraq war, suggesting that he could be open to this after the Chilcot report was published if “apologies need to be made”.

So, some time around 2028 there'll be a mumbled "soz" from Burham.

So he won't know if there is anything to apologise for until Chilcot says so.

 

[killer b]

Here's a Burnham rally today. Channelling a wednesday morning job club.

 

[brogdale]

Here's a Burnham rally today. Channelling a wednesday morning job club.

 

[killer b]

Pauline would to more to inspire, I suspect.

 

[danny la rouge]

I hear Andy loses his shit if you steal his pens.

 

[brogdale]

tbf to Burnham...there appear to be 16 people in his meeting, whereas Pauline only had 8 jobseekers at hers. That's twice as many.

 

[killer b]

THIS MAN CAN LEAD US TO VICTORY

 

[Artaxerxes]

THIS MAN CAN LEAD US TO VICTORY

HE FIGHTS FOR FREEDOM

 

[Ole]

Harriet Harman is saying they could block up to 100,000 voters.

http://www.cityam.com/223026/labour...et-harman-concedes-many-100000-voters-couldbe

 

[Wilf]

Harriet Harman is saying they could block up to 100,000 voters.

http://www.cityam.com/223026/labour...et-harman-concedes-many-100000-voters-couldbe

Getting silly now.

'There are millions of reds under the bed!'
'How many have you caught?'
'Jeremy Hardy and that film maker'.

 

[skyscraper101]

Anyone get the feeling this could end up in the courts like the US elections of 2000?

 

[DotCommunist]

blatant rigging

 

[brogdale]

blatant rigging

Indeed, but that story is yesterday's news, and the number included a large number of applicants who appeared not to have registered for the electoral role.IIRC.

 

[Wilf]

There's got to be a good novel to come out of this.

 

[scifisam]

I'd guess his crime was regularly supporting candidates opposed to Labour.

How can that possibly matter? You are allowed to change affiliation. Labour seem to be banning people who want to change to become a labour supporter, having previously supported a different party, something that would make most parties rub their hands with glee.

 

[maomao]

And as previously pointed out they don't seem worried in the slightest at the prospect of Tory swing voters coming back to vote for the thick one.

 

[Wilf]

Indeed, but that story is yesterday's news, and the number included a large number of applicants who appeared not to have registered for the electoral role.IIRC.

The idea that 3 quidders and union supporters should be on the electoral register has sort of passed without comment. It's obviously a way of checking identity, fairly sensible. But then is it? Afaik there was a drop in the number registered from 2013 to 14 - and that is likely to drop further with the implementation of individual registration... all of which affects poorer, younger and more transient voters disproportionately. If this whole thing wasn't such a headless chicken panic Labour should have thought of other ways for people to prove their identity when seeking to vote.

 

[frogwoman]

I see moazzam begg was approvingly tweeting that corby supported women's only carriages on twitter earlier.

A step in the wrong direction imo

 

[SpookyFrank]

There's got to be a good novel to come out of this.

It's a damn shame Iannucci has called time on The Thick of It.

 

[brogdale]

The idea that 3 quidders and union supporters should be on the electoral register has sort of passed without comment. It's obviously a way of checking identity, fairly sensible. But then is it? Afaik there was a drop in the number registered from 2013 to 14 - and that is likely to drop further with the implementation of individual registration... all of which affects poorer, younger and more transient voters disproportionately. If this whole thing wasn't such a headless chicken panic Labour should have thought of other ways for people to prove their identity when seeking to vote.

Again ...tbf....they had made that requirement explicit in their FAQs. I suspect it was to keep the lawyers happy...ensuring that there was no interference from non-UK residents.

 

[killer b]

The idea that 3 quidders and union supporters should be on the electoral register has sort of passed without comment. It's obviously a way of checking identity, fairly sensible. But then is it? Afaik there was a drop in the number registered from 2013 to 14 - and that is likely to drop further with the implementation of individual registration... all of which affects poorer, younger and more transient voters disproportionately. If this whole thing wasn't such a headless chicken panic Labour should have thought of other ways for people to prove their identity when seeking to vote.

it wasn't supposed to be like this. they were only expecting a few thousand to bother signing up, Harman could have checked all them herself. As it is, they've not got long to verify a few hundred thousand - I can't imagine there's any other way of verifying a new member isn't someone's cat.

 

[brogdale]

I see moazzam begg was approvingly tweeting that corby supported women's only carriages on twitter earlier.

A step in the wrong direction imo

Don't fall for the media hype. He did not offer any such support; merely suggested that it might be one proposal that he would like to hear people's views about.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I see moazzam begg was approvingly tweeting that corby supported women's only carriages on twitter earlier.

A step in the wrong direction imo

Depends on the train, but I would think it's probably unworkable. Especially considering only about one in three bogs is working at any one time on a typical British train, so going for a slash often involves trekking through several carriages.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I see moazzam begg was approvingly tweeting that corby supported women's only carriages on twitter earlier.

A step in the wrong direction imo

Don't fall for the media hype. He did not offer any such support; merely suggested that it might be one proposal that he would like to hear people's views about.

From the other thread:

Corbyn said: “Some women have raised with me that a solution to the rise in assault and harassment on public transport could be to introduce women only carriages.

“My intention would be to make public transport safer for everyone from the train platform, to the bus stop to on the mode of transport itself. However, I would consult with women and open it up to hear their views on whether women-only carriages would be welcome - and also if piloting this at times and modes of transport where harassment is reported most frequently would be of interest.”

 

[frogwoman]

Don't fall for the media hype. He did not offer any such support; merely suggested that it might be one proposal that he would like to hear people's views about.

Ok but its worrying that it should need to be discussed at all tbh. I don't like the way society is moving in that regard at all, it would be a huge step backwards and play into patriachal views of women needing to be 'protected'

 

[redcogs]

Maybe conductors and adequate staffing levels to deal with rowdyism would be preferable?