Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
my point was designed to say they have no right to be in government. any reasonable polity would award a party with 36.9% of the turnout 36.9% of the seats. not more than 50%.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
STAAAAAN TOOK MY LIVER, MY MONEY AND MY WIFE
You know as well as I do that is an unwritten constitution.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
fine, but the posts you've made over the last page or so are arguing against something some dickhead trots are saying on your facebook feed rather than what's being discussed by posters here. you don't like it when treelover does that, so it's not unreasonable to ask you to exercise restraint yourself.
Thats true enough
but ive not actually said a great deal to treelover tbh. Point taken tho
On that reasoning, what is your take on the SNP's performance versus UKIP?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so when you say 'it's worked well' you mean 'they've managed to fudge things so the wheels haven't fallen off yet'.
No, I mean it has worked well.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we've not finished with the constitution yet, don't be in such a hurry.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but it hasn't otherwise they wouldn't have had to change it so often.
If all you do when I join a thread is call me a tosser, a dickhead etc... and get really, really wound up about it to the extent that you really, really, really need to show how wound up you are to all and sundry without countering with anything of any weight whatsoever, I suggest that you put me on ignore.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's ok, i'm off in a minute. then you can have the thread back.
e2a: ah, you mean diamond
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
might as well go on ignore, you can't argue for toffee.
No let's nail this one first as it's probably the easier subject matter to polish off.
37% of the vote yields a decisive majority of 330 seats, which is an outrage because some people never even voted!
4.7% of the vote yields 56 seats, which is presumably fine and has no reflection upon those who never voted.
12.7% of the vote yields 1 seat, which is even better than all the rest and is totally irrelevant to those who never voted...
That's the whole point of an unwritten constitution - it's flexible.
In fact - that's the whole point of any successful constitutional law - it reflects values that are reinterpreted to each modern circumstance as society develops...
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
They got less than 25% of the available electorate, so while it wasn't "very" marginal it's also nothing like a solid democratic mandate (by their own terms, no less, if we go by the standards they want to impose on trade unions).
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
worth remembering what quorum those elected on such a mighty figure intend to impose on workers who vote in union actions.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
bollocks to you ray 
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the government does not have a majority of 330.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
Meanwhile, the other three candidates will be shuffling and looking at their feet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ng-his-benefit-sanctions-regime-10461193.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ng-his-benefit-sanctions-regime-10461193.html
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it means you don't know where you stand tomorrow.
330 seats - a mistake admittedly - but you know what I am driving at but seem to studiously ignore the argument.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it's Burnham I feel the most sorry for. He's flogged more than 100 shonky Renault 19's to gullible young men in search of a cheap boy racer type motor. And what is his reward? To be outflanked by a beard. Breaks my heart.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there is no argument in your posts to respond to or to ignore, just a load of assertions which evaporate under scrutiny.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
And here was me thinking that the point is to enable dodgy attacks on citizens' rights which a written constitution might get in the way of. But no sure, you're probably right, I mean it's not like there's a movement to get rid of the HRA and European rights laws or legislation being drafted on the fly to deal with challenges to government snooping/covert ops against citizens or anything.
No - your assertion was that the Tory government is illegitimate because of the proportion of the total available vote across the entire electorate it won in relation to the seats it gathered was disproportionate.
I challenged you on two points - (i) first, that the proportional total vote argument is fundamentally spurious, and (ii) second, that other parties have soared far higher or dipped much further than the Tories have in relation to their actual votes.
The simple point is this - the country wants a Tory government.
I don't want a Tory government but until the left and the centre-left (which I would place myself in) realise that, then there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of getting rid of a Tory government.
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