Labour leadership

[frogwoman]

Honestly people must look at this and think we're all a bunch of lunatics. And there's nothing wrong with cynicism especially when labour is concerned ffs

 

[Argonia]

“It is the biggest upset in political betting history.”

 

[rutabowa]

and they both voted against the welfare reform bill

 

[Pickman's model]

Honestly people must look at this and think we're all a bunch of lunatics. And there's nothing wrong with cynicism especially when labour is concerned ffs

i think they'd draw one conclusion about treelover and quite another about everyone else. they'd likely think that we were all very tolerant of treelover's little foibles.

 

[rutabowa]

Honestly people must look at this and think we're all a bunch of lunatics. And there's nothing wrong with cynicism especially when labour is concerned ffs

not everyone surely? i mean everyone has different opinions so not everyone can be wrong? except in some general existensial lunatic way

 

[Pickman's model]

not everyone surely? i mean everyone has different opinions so not everyone can be wrong? except in some general existensial lunatic way

not everyone. treelover's right.

 

[nino_savatte]

I dunno who to vote for deputy, is Caroline Flint ok?

No. She's a Blairite shitbag.

 

[nino_savatte]

or stella creasy? yeh i'll probably pick her.

She's a member of Progress iirc. Pick another one.

 

[rutabowa]

No. She's a Blairite shitbag.

a quick google revealed that, I didn't put her down at all.

 

[frogwoman]

I was thinking more of things like this

 

[Belushi]

I was thinking more of things like this

Probably wrote a song about Clegg in 2010

 

[DotCommunist]

I was thinking more of things like this

Bragg to cover that one in T-minus...

 

[Pickman's model]

I was thinking more of things like this

pls pass the mindbleach

 

[two sheds]

I'd say that sceptical is a better word here (well hopefully anyway) than cynical

Although cynical can be:
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/doubtful#doubtful__2

Doubtful as to whether something will happen or whether it is worthwhile: most residents are cynical about efforts to clean mobsters out of their city

It has the edge of

Believing that people are motivated purely by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity: he was brutally cynical and hardened to every sob story under the sun

Whereas sceptical has the main meaning:

Not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations:

and only a peripheral:

Philosophy: relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.

(but how do they know that?)

 

[DotCommunist]

I don't think 'even if he wins its still not what I wanted brer' is cyniscism. 'The cynics' TL talks of have all expressed that they wish C-Byn well.

 

[Crispy]

C-Byn

C-Bizzle?

 

[two sheds]

C-Pussel

 

[Santino]

LL J-Co

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd say that sceptical is a better word here (well hopefully anyway) than cynical

Although cynical can be:
It has the edge of

Whereas sceptical has the main meaning:

and only a peripheral:


(but how do they know that?)

nice to see pedantry alive and well

 

[two sheds]

nice to see pedantry alive and well

 

[Wilf]

You some kind of anti-Semitic rhyming slang merchant, son?

This almost rhymes with Herbert Morrisson, so yes.

 

[Kaka Tim]

No. She's a Blairite shitbag.

When Flint was housing minister she slagged off council housing tenants for their "lack off aspiration" and wanted to do scrap their long term tenancies. She also had a plan to make a social housing tenancy conditional on looking for work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7227667.stm

Scum, basically.

 

[frogwoman]

A lot of lefties dont get that there are many people who view blair and labour with the same loathing as they have for thatcher and the tories.

Its very difficult for me to see why i should support someone who was a member of labour for 32 years to be the leader of the country with wild enthusiasm and that any suggestion hes not gonna save the world is 'cynicism' because labour were once good 30 or 40 years ago, ie nearly twice my age. Its fucking patronising in fact.

 

[frogwoman]

And the self righteous attitude im seeing from a lot of labour supporters basically confirms this view like someone was banging on about why i should support labour as a progressive force because the winter of discontent only happened because of 'right wingers' 40 years ago. In other words labour has been shit for 40 years but we should still support corbyn. Fuck off. Its like someone saying we should support cameron because of ted heath and benjamin disreali.

 

[treelover]

Kezia Dugdale can win back victory for Labour in Scotland John McTernan

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/18/kezia-dugdale-scottish-labour-party-victory

New McTernan Brainsplurt.

 

[frogwoman]

Labour might be the party of tony benn and corbyn but its also the party of jim murphy and kezia dugdale.

 

[DotCommunist]

Labour might be the party of tony benn and corbyn but its also the party of jim murphy and kezia dugdale.

and mad frankie fields who inexplicably hasn't been kicked to death or smoten with a thunderbolt yet

 

[Pickman's model]

Labour might be the party of tony benn and corbyn but its also the party of jim murphy and kezia dugdale.

not the party of tony benn any more. unless they organise in limbo.

 

[two sheds]

Its like someone saying we should support cameron because of ted heath and benjamin disreali.

Well be fair, Disraeli did introduce the Public Health Act of 1875.

 

[frogwoman]

Well be fair, Disraeli did introduce the Public Health Act of 1875.

Maybe we should all join the tories then and 'push them to the left'