Labour leadership

[Rob Ray]

It'd have to be pretty humiliating to get Corbyn to leave, man's more loyal than a beagle and also has a few new leftie MPs to support. A couple of people might flounce, Skinner's in his 80s (I suspect he's only still there to annoy people), I could see him retiring, but not many. Maybe a defection from Richard Burgon, if he's not feeling like having a career?

 

[frogwoman]

Why would corbyn leave? He has more chance of being influential within labour than in a smaller party led by trot sects surely?

 

[butchersapron]

Only question is whether the stitch up would be so obvious that Corbyn and his supporters would be forced to leave.

They ate militant. They're going nowhere. They are LABOUR. Nothing else.

 

[frogwoman]

And i dont understand why people are joining labour, paying £3 and then hoping for a split when corbyn specifically said thats not what he wants?

 

[spartacus mills]

Striking a blow for communism against the reformist platitudes of the labourite telecommunications juggernaut and their lackeys in the trade union bureaucracy

That's the spirit!

 

[Lo Siento.]

They ate militant. They're going nowhere. They are LABOUR. Nothing else,.

I get that. But if they won the leadership contest and the MPs just immediately de-selected him their position in the party would be untenable.

 

[butchersapron]

I get that. But if they won the leadership contest and the MPs just immediately de-selected him their position in the party would be untenable.

Whose position?

 

[butchersapron]

I get that. But if they won the leadership contest and the MPs just immediately de-selected him their position in the party would be untenable.

Can they do that?

 

[treelover]

Turn out in Liverpool was apparently massive, hundreds outside, the old Liverpool is back!

meanwhile

 

[Lo Siento.]

Whose position?

Corbyn. If he wins the leadership election and the PLP basically declares it invalid because of his politics.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Can they do that?

As I understand it the PLP can call a new leadership contest, can't they?

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn. If he wins the leadership election and the PLP basically declares it invalid because of his politics.

How. By what process?

And you missed the rather important political bit of turn-around in my post.

 

[butchersapron]

As I understand it the PLP can call a new leadership contest, can't they?

Reckon you better have checked that first.

The idea that they would if they could is fantasy - they're not that headless.

 

[treelover]

Video from Liverpool, at the height of the holiday season as well, students away, etc..

 

[Rob Ray]

How. By what process?

It's already being mooted, 47 MPs sign a piece of paper and there's a leadership challenge. I mean don't get me wrong, unless they're totally stupid it won't happen immediately, but it'll be done by this time next year at the latest (unless they decide to let him lose in 2020 and definitively kill the left of Labour for another generation).

 

[Lo Siento.]

Reckon you better have checked that first.

The idea that they would if they could is fantasy - they're not that headless.

I almost added that I didn't think they would (although that's what McTernan seemed to be suggesting)

 

[andysays]

And i dont understand why people are joining labour, paying £3 and then hoping for a split when corbyn specifically said thats not what he wants?

It's almost as if they don't really support the aims and values of the Labour Party, and are actually supporters of another organisation opposed to it.

 

[treelover]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...r-leadership-video?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

JC on tour,

John Harris video, can't seem to embed.


warning Bragg alert.

 

[butchersapron]

It's already being mooted, 47 MPs sign a piece of paper and there's a leadership challenge. I mean don't get me wrong, unless they're totally stupid it won't happen immediately, but it'll be done by this time next year at the latest (unless they decide to let him lose in 2020 and definitively kill the left of Labour for another generation).

Being mooted (i.e a tory journo reads the rule book). The same rules that applied to previous labour leaders. Calm down.

It'll be done by this time next year? There's an awful lot of definiteness flying around.

 

[andysays]

It's already being mooted, 47 MPs sign a piece of paper and there's a leadership challenge. I mean don't get me wrong, unless they're totally stupid it won't happen immediately, but it'll be done by this time next year at the latest (unless they decide to let him lose in 2020 and definitively kill the left of Labour for another generation).

You appear to be taking that article 100% at face value and not recognising the possibility that it's actually part of the "game" of rumour etc around the election itself, that the anonymous "senior Labour figures" are attempting to influence people not to vote for Corbyn.

 

[Rob Ray]

Being mooted (i.e a tory journo reads the rule book). The same rules that applied to previous labour leaders. Calm down.

*Shrugs* who knows, these days it's all "a Labour MP said" - the Independent seemed to have quotes as well though, so make of that what you will. It wouldn't surprise me if a few of the more silly MPs were briefing about it. As I said, I doubt it'd happen unless they were being very dense, but the rules appear to support it.

It'll be done by this time next year? There's an awful lot of definiteness flying around.

Fair enough nothing's definite, I'll go with very confident though, given Corbyn's near-total isolation within a hostile Commons and facing a media in full-on attack mode.

 

[butchersapron]

*Shrugs* who knows, these days it's all "a Labour MP said" - the Independent seemed to have quotes as well though, so make of that what you will. It wouldn't surprise me if a few of the more silly MPs were briefing about it. As I said, I doubt it'd happen unless they were being very dense, but the rules appear to support it.



Fair enough nothing's definite, I'll go with very confident though, given Corbyn's near-total isolation within a hostile Commons and facing a media in full-on attack mode.

Ever been in the labour party rob?

 

[Coolfonz]

Does Corbyn's treasurer still work for the Saudis?

 

[Rob Ray]

Ever been in the labour party rob?

Would I need to be? I mean I suppose I could point to working for the Labour-obsessive Star for wonk-points, or to experiences I've had of groups clashing with individuals who try to enforce their views without backup, but It's not exactly a difficult thing to predict.

 

[butchersapron]

Would I need to be? I mean I suppose I could point to working for the Labour-obsessive Star for wonk-points, or to experiences I've had of groups clashing with individuals who try to enforce their views without backup, but It's not exactly a difficult thing to predict.

It would help in making predictions of splits certainly.

 

[butchersapron]

Would I need to be? I mean I suppose I could point to working for the Labour-obsessive Star for wonk-points, or to experiences I've had of groups clashing with individuals who try to enforce their views without backup, but It's not exactly a difficult thing to predict.

That's a no then. Outsiders, will never get the labour party mentality. Corbyn is the labour mentality writ life.

 

[Rob Ray]

I've speculated that a split wouldn't happen (and actually said Corbyn probably wouldn't leave even if ousted from the leadership role), but suggested a coup will, based on his clear lack of support among MPs, particularly influential ones who can get him out.

 

[butchersapron]

I've speculated that a split wouldn't happen (and actually said Corbyn probably wouldn't leave even if ousted from the leadership role), but suggested a coup will, based on his clear lack of support among MPs, particularly influential ones who can get him out.

Covered all bases rob. That's the game.

 

[Rob Ray]

I'm suggesting a pretty specific outcome tbh, Corbyn (if he wins) gone within a year, no split in the party but maybe a couple of defections and a retirement. Corbyn being ousted I'm confident of, the party not splitting I'd be reasonably confident of (I may not be a party member but I do work with Labour party activists regularly, the reporters' desk is full of em), defections and Skinner jacking it in is wild speculation.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm suggesting a pretty specific outcome tbh, Corbyn gone within a year, no split in the party but maybe a couple of defections and a retirement. Corbyn going I'm confident of, the party not splitting I'd be reasonably confident of (I may not be a party member but I do work with Labour party activists every day), defections and Skinner jacking it in is wild speculation.

I'm suggesting it's fantasy world - all of it. The same crap the trots have come up with for 50 years+ and you've attacked them for and spent a lot of time circulating attacks on such ideas. Fucking hell.