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Labour Jews to Chuka Umunna – Stop using antisemitism smears against Corbyn

soupdragon

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A group of Jewish Labour supporters have written to Chuka to request he stop using accusations of anti-semitism to smear Jeremy Corbyn.

Dear Chuka Umunna,

We write as Jews who are members of the Labour Party. Some of us are also members of Momentum. We were shocked to witness the cynical manner in which you weaponised false allegations of antisemitism to launch an attack on the leader of the Labour party and on Momentum at the session of the Home Affairs Committee on Monday July 4th.

Some of the comments made at the press conference launching the Chakrabarti inquiry on June 30 by Mr Wadsworth (not a representative of Momentum as you claimed) were rude and unwarranted, however there is no evidence they were motivated by antisemitism. Wadsworth was clearly angry that the Daily Telegraph journalist had shared one of his leaflets with Labour MP Ruth Smeeth. He makes no reference to Ms Smeeth’s religion and asserts he had no knowledge she was Jewish and there is no evidence that this is not true. We have searched assiduously, including scrutinising the video footage of the incident, but have found no evidence of antisemitism, as opposed to incivility, in his words or actions.

The questions about Mr Wadsworth had been asked and answered several times by the time you asked your questions. Quite evidently your questions were not designed to elicit information but to pursue an internal Labour Party vendetta in a public forum. This relentless concentration on a confection designed to damage the Labour Party inhibits proper discussion on an important report into how the Labour Party can be more effective in combatting all forms of racism including antisemitism.

In your questioning you repeatedly employed guilt by association. For instance, you made reference to David Watson’s case. This is still under investigation and, as your legal background should have informed you, the allegations against him currently remain untested and unproven. These are allegations that, had you performed due diligence before asking your questions, you would have known are based on flimsy, if not fabricated, evidence.

We have been quite unable to detect any hint of animosity towards Jews in any of Watson’s social media posts. His critique of Zionism is one that many Jews share, in particular that the political Zionism dominant in Israel today is a racist ideology, both discriminating against Palestinians and stereotyping Jews as incapable of living alongside non-Jews in diverse societies. To then suggest that anyone who shares a platform with Watson is implicitly condoning antisemitism, and further that Jeremy Corbyn is answerable for all events organised by Momentum, is absurd.

You cite the example of the Oxford University Labour Club, and claim that “time and time again in these incidents of activity” in which offence is caused “to and against Jewish people Momentum seems to pop up quite frequently”. Yet Baroness Royall found no evidence of institutional antisemitism in OULC, and reported on at least one case of serious false allegations of antisemitism which had been reported to the police.

We ask you to cease your relentless undermining of the Labour Party. It would be more appropriate for you to concentrate your considerable energy on working to unite the Party so that we can displace this destructive Tory Government as soon as possible.

Labour Jews to Chuka Umunna - Stop using antisemitism smears against Corbyn - Free Speech on Israel
 
Not a surprise.

antisemitism smears starting when Corbyn got to be leader have been debunked here:

How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party's anti-Semitism crisis

The Progress wing of the party have been trying to get anti semitism "updated" to include criticism of Zionism.
But the member of staff said that for the “non-Jewish Zionists” in groups like Progress, “anti-Semitism is just a tool” in “a field of battle” to “smash up Jeremy at all costs.”
 
Not a surprise.
antisemitism smears starting when Corbyn got to be leader have been debunked here:
How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party's anti-Semitism crisis
The Progress wing of the party have been trying to get anti semitism "updated" to include criticism of Zionism.
I would not normally participate in discussion on such a delicate issue - but co-incidentally I was just reading "Ethical Record" (magazine of the Conway Hall), and mention was made there of an incident having a bearing on Ken Livingstone's radio comments which caused a storm.

Back in 1987 Ken Loach produced a play called "Perdition" which was to be performed at the Royal Court.
The play concerned co-operation between certain Zionists and the Eichmann death camp system. Allegedly certain favoured Jews were allowed to escape to Palestine as a quid pro quo for surrendering other Jews to be sent to the death camps.

The play (which I haven't seen) took the form of a trail of the participants in these activities.

In view of what has happened recently, it will be no surprise to learn that much pressure was put on the Royal Court theatre to cancel the production -which they did even before the first night.

Where Conway Hall comes in was they hosted a 5 performance run of the play in the interests of free speech. (It has subsequently been revived such as 1999 at the Gate Theatre).

Anybody interested could read all about it here Perdition - Reaction and comments on the play
 
Good work by that 42, the video was clear that guy wasn't being anti-Semitic. I hope this letter gets reported by mainstream press as much as the previous incidents.
 
I think you're expecting a bit much from the mods here. Threads often get started in less than ideal forums (although some can sit comfortably in several forums), but expecting us to have the time to spot and move every single one (especially if no one tells us) is a bit much. It may see like inconsistent modding to you, but it's more a matter of us not having the time.
 
I think you're expecting a bit much from the mods here. Threads often get started in less than ideal forums (although some can sit comfortably in several forums), but expecting us to have the time to spot and move every single one (especially if no one tells us) is a bit much. It may see like inconsistent modding to you, but it's more a matter of us not having the time.
I started the thread in the Brixton forum and it was then moved to politics - you have actually started two threads about Chuka in Brixton which have stayed there. Why move this one? It's more interesting to Brixton residents no? Can it go back?
 
I started the thread in the Brixton forum and it was then moved to politics - you have actually started two threads about Chuka in Brixton which have stayed there. Why move this one? It's more interesting to Brixton residents no? Can it go back?
For the second time. I did not move it. Use the report post function if you wish to complain, but my opinion is that UK politics is a more appropriate forum given the scope of the topic.

I can't be arsed to start moving around older posts, sorry. Please take all further discussion on this to the feedback forum.
 
Well only because the editor had previously started two threads on Chuka in the Brixton forum, so it seemed like the place for it. What with him being a Brixton MP and all...
if it was 'chuka backs hanging for brixton gentrifiers' or something else to do with his role as constituency mp then that's where i'd to find such a thread. but when it's about a broader issue i would expect to find it in uk P&P as it is now
 
if it was 'chuka backs hanging for brixton gentrifiers' or something else to do with his role as constituency mp then that's where i'd to find such a thread. but when it's about a broader issue i would expect to find it in uk P&P as it is now
Sure – it's just one of the editor's threads on Chuka was about him starting a think tank, and the other was to do with him not backing Corbyn - which are just as general. I assume he started them in Brixton because he figured they were interested to Brixton residents who have him as their MP – I figure the same for this. I imagine more Chuka constituents look at the Brixton forum than the politics one.
 
Sure – it's just one of the editor's threads on Chuka was about him starting a think tank, and the other was to do with him not backing Corbyn - which are just as general. I assume he started them in Brixton because he figured they were interested to Brixton residents who have him as their MP – I figure the same for this. I imagine more Chuka constituents look at the Brixton forum than the politics one.
yes. but the thread is about a letter sent to umunna which was signed by a very few people with any affiliation to lambeth.
 
Sure – it's just one of the editor's threads on Chuka was about him starting a think tank, and the other was to do with him not backing Corbyn - which are just as general. I assume he started them in Brixton because he figured they were interested to Brixton residents who have him as their MP – I figure the same for this. I imagine more Chuka constituents look at the Brixton forum than the politics one.
Feedback forum ----->
 
I requested it be moved - lots of posters have Brixton Forum on ignore and this is nothing to do with Brixton and everythign to do with UK Politics

*If youve seen other threads wrongly posted you can always hit REPORT and ask them to be moved too

I take editor point that Mods have a big workload.

The fact that you requested to be moved it as a lot of posters now have Brixton Forum on ignore is the underlying problem. If that was not the case this would not have happened. I can understand why some posters have put it on ignore. Im in Brixton/LJ and still persevere with the Brixton Forum as its where I started on Urban and the Brixton Forum is important to me. I do feel somewhat beleaguered there now.

I was glad to see soupdragon back on the Brixton Forum. As Soupdragon says Chuka is one of the local MPs. He is very close to the Progress dominated Council. Keen to undermine Corbyn and the politics he represents. Many people I know in Brixton are pro Corbyn. I know people local who rejoined the Labour party because of Corbyn. Tricky Skills tried and the rather nasty New Labour Cllrs blocked him from joining. So for Soupdragon to put the thread on Brixton Forum felt right to me. Its that the "Brixton Obama" used a chance to take a swipe at Corbyn ignoring the fact that a lot of local people outside the local party machine support a different kind of Labour party.

On issues like housing - Cressingham Gardens (ViolentPanda ) Chuka has supported the New Labour Council not stood up for residents. Soupdragon post on Chuka is relevant to Brixton. Chuka has made no secret of his loathing for what Corbyn represents.
 
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I take editor point that Mods have a big workload.

The fact that you requested to be moved it as a lot of posters now have Brixton Forum on ignore is the underlying problem. If that was not the case this would not have happened. I can understand why some posters have put it on ignore. Im in Brixton/LJ and still persevere with the Brixton Forum as its where I started on Urban and the Brixton Forum is important to me. I do feel somewhat beleaguered there now.

I was glad to see soupdragon back on the Brixton Forum. As Soupdragon says Chuka is one of the local MPs. He is very close to the Progress dominated Council. Keen to undermine Corbyn and the politics he represents. Many people I know in Brixton are pro Corbyn. I know people local who rejoined the Labour party because of Corbyn. Tricky Skills tried and the rather nasty New Labour Cllrs blocked him from joining. So for Soupdragon to put the thread on Brixton Forum felt right to me. Its that the "Brixton Obama" used a chance to take a swipe at Corbyn ignoring the fact that a lot of local people outside the local party machine support a different kind of Labour party.

What's happening on the Brixton forum? Why have people got it on ignore?
 
The fact that you requested to be moved it as a lot of posters now have Brixton Forum on ignore is the underlying problem. If that was not the case this would not have happened.
No it isnt, id still have asked it to be moved as it was in the wrong forum
What's happening on the Brixton forum? Why have people got it on ignore?
I think they've grown tired of endless variations of gentrification warfare arguments, particularly ones like is Is it okay to drink a cocktail with SW4 etc.
 
And another thing that makes it relevant to Brixton. We have three MPs Helen Hayes , Chuka and Kate Hoey.

For all her faults as far as national politics goes Kate has been been a thorn in the side of the New Labour Lambeth Council and is hated by them. She supported housing and library campaigns. She refused to support pressurising Corbyn to stand down. In Lambeth she is respected and liked by many for her stand on local issues.

Chuka when he tried to get himself a seat put himself forward as the "soft" left candidate against Steve Reed - leader of the Lambeth Council and unrepentant supporter of the Third Way. Chuka got the seat on basis as Tricky Skills pointed out at the time:

“His affiliation with the left of centre Compass group gives an indication as to where Chuka stands. It’s a back to the future approach, skipping the folly of New Labour, and looking towards more traditional Labour values.”

As Trickyskills points out

Chuka history is interesting. He was seen as a new hope for Brixton and Lambeth. Someone not Progress New Labour. The post by Soupdragon shows how far hes come since becoming an MP.
 
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You gave two reasons one of which was that a lot of posters have Brixton on ignore.

I beg to differ on it being on "wrong" forum for reasons Soupdragon gives ( that there have been posts on Chuka on Brixton Forum) and that Chuka sees himself as the MP for Brixton.

But he's also a name in the PLP. He gets trotted out for interviews, has a media presence etc... This is more relevant to that role than his constituency activities.
 
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