Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[19force8]

What point are you trying to make here?

Why don't you tell me.

While you're at it maybe you can explain:

I wonder what the MP for Tel Aviv thinks of it

 

[Shechemite]

Why don't you tell me.

While you're at it maybe you can explain:

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make re the Nazi dog wanker

‘MP for Tel Aviv’ was a dog-whistle comment about Ellman (and endorsed by M Walker).

Do keep up.

 

[19force8]

‘MP for Tel Aviv’ was a dog-whistle comment about Ellman (and endorsed by M Walker).

Do keep up.

And your point was?

 

[Shechemite]

And your point was?

The fairly obvious point that Walker is a hypocrite and is only making that momentum video because he can see that there are political consequences with defending antisemitism.

What’s your point about Nazi dog man?

 

[19force8]

The fairly obvious point that Walker is a hypocrite and is only making that momentum video because he can see that there are political consequences with defending antisemitism.

Way too gnomic for me. Why didn't you just say that?

 

[Shechemite]

Way too gnomic for me. Why didn't you just say that?

Because not everyone is as thick as you.

Why did you bring Meecham into a conversation about Labour AS?

 

[19force8]

Why did you bring Meecham into a conversation about Labour AS?

I didn't, I brought the BBC into the conversation.

 

[Shechemite]

I didn't, I brought the BBC into the conversation.

Meanwhile, in other news Mark Meecham lands job presenting "It's me or the dog!" for BBC Scotland.

Of course.

Any chance of explaining your point?

 

[19force8]

Of course.

Any chance of explaining your point?

None whatsoever

 

[treelover]

I'm not going to link to it, but a member of Momentum here, has a image of a Palestianian child holding hands with a child concentation camp victim as her FB status,

problematic?

 

[kebabking]

I'm not going to link to it, but a member of Momentum here, has a image of a Palestianian child holding hands with a child concentation camp victim as her FB status,

problematic?

Yes, because it's an indicator of that person's obsession with Jews. Not suffering of children in refugee camps, but Jews.

They could have chosen an image of a child in a Syrian refugee camp, or a Royhinga camp in Bangladesh, or in Mali, or Chad, or any of fifty horrific situations around the world - but they always end up going to the one that involves the Jewish state.

It's possible that the myopic obsession with Israel within a section for the last 50 years while completely ignoring Syria, Chechnya, Xinjiang and all the rest is entirely coincidental to it being full of Jews, but unless you're very rich, I wouldn't put a large wager on it.

 

[Shechemite]

And those who are obsessed with the Jooz are so often the same who defend Assad, Maduro and so on (hence Beeley, Williamson, Blumenthal, Galloway, Topple etc)

Whilst of course the liberal anti-racism of writers such as Katerji isn’t the answer, i think (and perhaps I’m being naive), the readiness of Arab writers to challenge left antisemtism has a lot to do with the convergence of left antisemtism and left apologia for ‘anti-imperialist’ tyrants.

I’m rambling a bit here. Anyway, I enjoyed this article

Is Corbynism anti-Semitic?

 

[likesfish]

There's also the point that any criticism of Israel gets you labeled as an antisemite the Israeli lobby is huge.
Hamas and Hezbollah are evil terrorists who kill civilians while the IDF are saintly warriors who do their utmost to avoid civilian casualties while killing way more civilians

 

[Shechemite]

Dear god

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not going to link to it, but a member of Momentum here, has a image of a Palestianian child holding hands with a child concentation camp victim as her FB status,

problematic?

a member of momentum here?

 

[TopCat]

There's also the point that any criticism of Israel gets you labeled as an antisemite the Israeli lobby is huge.
Hamas and Hezbollah are evil terrorists who kill civilians while the IDF are saintly warriors who do their utmost to avoid civilian casualties while killing way more civilians

The IDF are paragons of progressive behaviour. Say this or else.

 

[Shechemite]

Or else?

 

[Pickman's model]

Or else?

or else

 

[Shechemite]

or else

Off to bed without supper?

 

[TopCat]

Or else?

Or else you get decried as anti Semitic.

 

[Pickman's model]

Off to bed without supper?

if you're lucky

 

[Shechemite]

Or else you get decried as anti Semitic.

Early night for you

 

[danny la rouge]

the Israeli lobby is huge.

This is the sort of thing.

 

[belboid]

Yes, because it's an indicator of that person's obsession with Jews. Not suffering of children in refugee camps, but Jews.

They could have chosen an image of a child in a Syrian refugee camp, or a Royhinga camp in Bangladesh, or in Mali, or Chad, or any of fifty horrific situations around the world - but they always end up going to the one that involves the Jewish state.

It's possible that the myopic obsession with Israel within a section for the last 50 years while completely ignoring Syria, Chechnya, Xinjiang and all the rest is entirely coincidental to it being full of Jews, but unless you're very rich, I wouldn't put a large wager on it.

what a pile of absurd dogshit.

99% of those interested in Palestine do so because for the last seventy years apartheid Israel has based its existence on the dispossession of the palestinian people, it has expanded militarily to destroy any possible chance of a two state solution, and has been the single most important factor in the destabilisation of the middle east. And it did all this thanks, in no small part, to the British state. You know, where we live.

Part of the whole AS farrago is about trying to stop perfectly sound criticism of Israel - hence the shite IHRA definition & examples, Jess Philips saying you cant say 'racist Israeli state' etc etc. Bollocks to that.

Israel is, supposedly, a part of the western liberal democracies, not dictatorships like Syria, China or Chechnya. So it is supposed to live up to 'higher standards.' But it doesn't, far from it.

 

[Shechemite]

I had the sheer pleasure over the weekend of being denounced by a fellow disability activist as an ‘agent of Israel’ who ‘changes what you say when your controllers tell you’. Fun times.

 

[likesfish]

Conservative Friends of Israel - Wikipedia
Labour Friends of Israel - Wikipedia
theres a bit of truth to it.

 

[belboid]

I had the sheer pleasure over the weekend of being denounced by a fellow disability activist as an ‘agent of Israel’ who ‘changes what you say when your controllers tell you’. Fun times.

That's shit. But, as you have pointed out yourself, fuck all to do with the Labour Party.

 

[Shechemite]

That's shit. But, as you have pointed out yourself, fuck all to do with the Labour Party.

Was a Labour Party member - who had been reported 6 months ago

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Moderating here, I'm apparently both a hasbara shill and a dedicated anti-semite, depending on who gets banned.

 

[Shechemite]

And given that labour are presenting themselves as the tribune of disabled people, they need to take some responsibility in challenging the (understandable) paranoia and conspiracism which drives so much AS amongst those at the bottom of society.