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Shechemite said:
What happened to poor old cantsin? Must have gone completely mad by now
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tell you what, if I hadn't, this could help tip me over the edge : the thought of that twisted f*ck getting a peerage from a Tory govt for what he helped achieve, with exactly this kind of stuff, is hard to take...but of course job done, now, and doubt he'll be having to worry about the damages personally....

www.expressandstar.com

Former MP Ian Austin apologises as £40k damages paid over false anti-semitism claim

A former Black Country MP has apologised to an ex-aide of Jeremy Corbyn over a newspaper column in which he branded her an anti-semitic racist.
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platinumsage said:
Chris Williamson’s chat show on Press TV:

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I don't agree with what Lowkey has said here and no doubt it is antisemitic, and its possible that was unintentional aswell. It also seems he probably has different politics to me. But I also think its important that people should be allowed to make mistakes and make amends for them once its been acknowledged, otherwise things become very uncivilised and irrational, dogmatic and holier than though - kinda puritan I suppose.

I recently watched a long interview with Lowkey (on the Joe channel on YouTube) and he came across as a well-meaning and intelligent fella and I'm aware that Grenfell is something thats very close to his heart, so I don't think he can be all bad. It is the case that people can get caught up in bad things, including bad politics, even if they have good intentions and no one is ever 100% emaculate or free of error, which unfortunately these days is often forgotten. I really do think that sometimes, rather than going on the all out offensive to destroy it's actually much better and makes more sense to try and guide people away from bad things (such as reactionary ideas, which can include bigotry). It's when people insist on doubling down and not learning from their mistake that it becomes a serious problem, especially if this keeps happening.
 
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AmateurAgitator said:
I don't agree with what Lowkey has said here and no doubt it is antisemitic, and its possible that was unintentional aswell. It also seems he probably has different politics to me. But I also think its important that people should be allowed to make mistakes and make amends for them once its been acknowledged, otherwise things become very uncivilised and irrational, dogmatic and holier than though - kinda puritan I suppose.

I recently watched a long interview with Lowkey (on the Joe channel on YouTube) and he came across as a well-meaning and intelligent fella and I'm aware that Grenfell is something thats very close to his heart, so I don't think he can be all bad. It is the case that people can get caught up in bad things, including bad politics, even if they have good intentions and no one is ever 100% emaculate or free of error, which unfortunately these days is often forgotten. I really do think that sometimes, rather than going on the all out offensive to destroy it's actually much better and makes more sense to try and guide people away from bad things (such as reactionary ideas, which can include bigotry). It's when people insist on doubling down and not learning from their mistake that it becomes a serious problem, especially if this keeps happening.
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Well, this is weird.

I completely agree.

I saw him speak at a thing just before the pandemic and he as really thoughtful and insightful. He had a really clear analysis of the British state, of imperialism, racism and class oppression. His anti-zionism was always absolutely vehement (as it is for many many people of middle-eastern backgrounds), but was also principled. Sadly, it does seem he's acquiesced somewhat to being feted by the Galloway/Williamsonite red-brown bollocks and talks a fair bit of shite now. Could be won back tho, I hope.
 
I've pointed out on these boards before that lowkey had a lyric about holding ''your bloodline accountable for every crime, from Adam Smith to Rothschild''. What worries me is have people even had a quiet word with him about his drifting into dodgy territory? If they have then it's time to call him out publicly. This stuff is a problem. If he's not called out then a lot of sound people could accidentally end up sharing a stage with him when he says something stupid. The more this stuff is addressed now, the less the press will have to go on next time they try to use anti-semitism as an attack vector against the left (and they will).
 
AmateurAgitator said:
I don't agree with what Lowkey has said here and no doubt it is antisemitic, and its possible that was unintentional aswell. It also seems he probably has different politics to me. But I also think its important that people should be allowed to make mistakes and make amends for them once its been acknowledged, otherwise things become very uncivilised and irrational, dogmatic and holier than though - kinda puritan I suppose.

I recently watched a long interview with Lowkey (on the Joe channel on YouTube) and he came across as a well-meaning and intelligent fella and I'm aware that Grenfell is something thats very close to his heart, so I don't think he can be all bad. It is the case that people can get caught up in bad things, including bad politics, even if they have good intentions and no one is ever 100% emaculate or free of error, which unfortunately these days is often forgotten. I really do think that sometimes, rather than going on the all out offensive to destroy it's actually much better and makes more sense to try and guide people away from bad things (such as reactionary ideas, which can include bigotry). It's when people insist on doubling down and not learning from their mistake that it becomes a serious problem, especially if this keeps happening.
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He's not sitting round smoking weed with his mates any more. He's trying to play with the big boys by putting himself out there to talk about things. That means he needs to get smart and shut the fuck up with his dodgy politics, or take the shit that is coming his way when the right wing press decides he is 'enemy of the week' - at which point it will be hard for the left to defend him because 'well-meaning' doesn't cut it in the high level game.
 
belboid said:
Naah, Rosie Duffield is a nasty little shit.
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Correct, she's an awful human being

I would be more interested in asking why it is that women have fared so poorly in Labour leadership elections, particularly black women
 
I guess he's talking about Jackie Walker and the NOI theory about Jews bank roling the slave trade. Cod psychology and identity politics aside what's the gotcha?
 
Typically, Akehurst has a gig with BICOM 'journal', Fathom.

A Party Transformed: How UK Labour is ripping Left Antisemitism out by its roots

In 2020, following Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, the UK Labour Party was found guilty by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission of three breaches of the Equality Act for its treatment of Jewish me...
fathomjournal.org fathomjournal.org
This caught my eye.
More: that moderate party officials deliberately dragged their feet on tackling antisemitism in the 2015-2018 period, that there is a hierarchy of racism in the Labour Party whereby there is an excessive focus on antisemitism while Islamophobia and anti-black racism are ignored or even perpetrated by the Labour right. JVL’s specific narrative is that they, anti-Zionist Jews, are being disproportionately targeted by Labour’s disciplinary process, and that they are therefore the victims of an antisemitism that targets Jews whose Jewish identity involves not supporting Israel.
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Islamophobia, anti-black racism, antiziganism, Sinophobia and other forms of racism aren't dealt with in the same way as vexatious allegations of antisemitism. That's a fact. Indeed, the Labour Party has a long history of failing to deal with colour-based racism, and it takes the votes of Black and Brown people for granted.
 
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Labour has suspended their election candidate for the Hyndburn constituency.

From The Guardian:

A second Labour parliamentary candidate has been suspended over comments made about Israel in a private meeting of Labour activists in Lancashire.

It is understood that the party has suspended Graham Jones, its candidate for Hyndburn, after a recording emerged of him referring to “fucking Israel” and saying that Britons who fight for the Israel Defense Forces should be “locked up”.


Jones is the second Labour parliamentary candidate to be suspended in less than 24 hours over comments made during the meeting, following the decision by Keir Starmer to withdraw support from Azhar Ali, the party’s candidate in Rochdale.

Labour withdrew support from Ali after recordings emerged of him saying he thought Israel had allowed the Hamas attack on 7 October to happen, and that “Jewish quarters” in the media were behind the suspension of another Labour MP, Andy McDonald.

More to follow …
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