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Kicking Off In Tottenham

I don't know what TSG is. But obviously there's not a huge amount of faith in the IPCC's (I think) ability to investigate this kind of thing and that's not totally without foundation in my opinion.

Perhaps, though they are nowhere near as bad as is commonly alleged (certainly its difficult to think of a case like this where they have been obviously wrong), and in any case they are a vast improvement on the PCA. Not sure that burning a bus, some shops and a pair of police cars is a better way of dealing with it though.
 
"David Lammy, Labour MP for Tottenham, said: "I am shocked and deeply worried by this news. There is now a mood of anxiety in the local community but everyone must remain calm. It is encouraging that the Independent Police Complaints Commission has immediately taken over the investigation. There is a need to clarify the facts and to move quickly to allay fears.""

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...bullet-hit-his-radio-in-gunfight-2332670.html

Fuck off Lammy. Really. Useless New Labour tosspot.

In all fairness he's probably guarding his words after seeing how the media stitched his predecessor last time.
 
Nah, really not posh round there. There's a bit of an interface with Islington (comedy postcode shenanigans with estate agents ensue) but outside of that small area, no.
Islington is miles away.
I live round there - not home at the mo. though. It's about as far from posh as you can possibly get. Mostly families.
Mostly residential apart from the High Road where the riots are, which is nearly all small local businesses.
 
Bit confused about why these people are rioting though. The shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock ('hail of bottles', 'bulky jacket/behaving suspiciously', 'pissing on and robbing the dead at Hillsborough', etc) are all reporting that the guy was an evil 'gangsta'

... which causes me (perhaps naively) to wonder, are the locals:

a) generally in favour of 'gangstas' and hence rioting to protest the cops shooting one?
b) believing the guy innocent (it's not like the shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock are exactly trustworthy sources of truth after all) or at least shot unreasonably?
c) severely pissed off about other stuff and merely taking the presence of tooled up riot police as an excuse to kick off?
 
Bit confused about why these people are rioting though. The shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock ('hail of bottles', 'bulky jacket/behaving suspiciously', 'pissing on and robbing the dead at Hillsborough', etc) are all reporting that the guy was an evil 'gangsta'

... which causes me (perhaps naively) to wonder, are the locals:

a) generally in favour of 'gangstas' and hence rioting to protest the cops shooting one?
b) believing the guy innocent (it's not like the shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock are exactly trustworthy sources of truth after all) or at least shot unreasonably?
c) severely pissed off about other stuff and merely taking the presence of tooled up riot police as an excuse to kick off?

Duywayne Brooks said on FB where was the riots when people like the guy that got shot shoot innocent people?
 
Bit confused about why these people are rioting though. The shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock ('hail of bottles', 'bulky jacket/behaving suspiciously', 'pissing on and robbing the dead at Hillsborough', etc) are all reporting that the guy was an evil 'gangsta'

... which causes me (perhaps naively) to wonder, are the locals:

a) generally in favour of 'gangstas' and hence rioting to protest the cops shooting one?
b) believing the guy innocent (it's not like the shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock are exactly trustworthy sources of truth after all) or at least shot unreasonably?
c) severely pissed off about other stuff and merely taking the presence of tooled up riot police as an excuse to kick off?

I've seen a couple of people on another board, claim that the local gangs have planned this together, after the shooting.
 
Bit confused about why these people are rioting though. The shite-papers-who-suck-police-cock ('hail of bottles', 'bulky jacket/behaving suspiciously', 'pissing on and robbing the dead at Hillsborough', etc) are all reporting that the guy was an evil 'gangsta'

... which causes me (perhaps naively) to wonder, are the locals:

a) generally in favour of 'gangstas' and hence rioting to protest the cops shooting one?
b) believing the guy innocent or at least shot unreasonably?
c) severely pissed off about other stuff and merely taking the presence of tooled up riot police as an excuse to kick off?

There was definately a rumour going around (reported in the Grauniad and the Standard, IIRC) that he (Duggan) had been shot four times whilst laying on the ground, and rumours (even entirely fact-free ones) can kick this sort of thing off, as the Lozells riot demonstrated a few years back. Otherwise it is probably a mix of things, like the usual oiks taking a chance to have a go back, and the two police cars being left unprotected in the midst of an angry crowd etc etc
 
Duywayne Brooks said on FB where was the riots when people like the guy that got shot shoot innocent people?

I think people have broadly been very supportive of the police's efforts to tackle gun crime. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what the deal was with the guy who got shot.
 
Islington is miles away.
I live round there - not home at the mo. though. It's about as far from posh as you can possibly get. Mostly families.
Mostly residential apart from the High Road where the riots are, which is nearly all small local businesses.
It's away from this specific instance really, yeah, that's the borough in general.

(I lived just by Seven Sisters - literally, about 50m away from the tube, a bit down Broad Lane - incidentally. I also have to say that I hated living there. All the actual people there were fine, mind.)
 
Perhaps, though they are nowhere near as bad as is commonly alleged (certainly its difficult to think of a case like this where they have been obviously wrong), and in any case they are a vast improvement on the PCA. Not sure that burning a bus, some shops and a pair of police cars is a better way of dealing with it though.

Trouble is, the entire point of an inquiry is to delay the findings until tempers have cooled. (Not per se a bad thing: the courts doing the same as a substitute for blood feuds has its advantages.)

Tempers have clearly not cooled.

Like Bernie, I await with interest the full range of stories about the shooting... was it someone else who put the bullet in the police radio? Was the deceased in fact a News International employee?
 
Duywayne Brooks said on FB where was the riots when people like the guy that got shot shoot innocent people?

Well yes, but the shite papers saying he was an evil gangsta might indicate that in fact he was just some random guy the cops shot and then briefed their mates in the gutter press to lie about, as they have on so many other occasions after killing someone.

I personally have no knowledge one way or the other, but given the form the cops and shite papers have in such cases, it would be a rather refreshing change if they weren't selling cynical arse-covering porkies to the general public yet again in this case.

I'd be interested in hearing what the local view on the dead chap was.
 
There was definately a rumour going around (reported in the Grauniad and the Standard, IIRC) that he (Duggan) had been shot four times whilst laying on the ground

Ah, that'll do it - if it happened, it turns it into a summary execution even if he was dead already (iyswim) and even if it does turn out to have been him that put the bullet in the radio.

and the two police cars being left unprotected in the midst of an angry crowd etc etc

:facepalm:

They didn't? Sometimes people see that as a bid for headlines. Remind me, was there a live threat of cuts to the force when they left a van in the middle of a crowd on 30 November 1999? And there was a van left amind the the fees demo, wasn't there? Happenstance, clearly.
 
There was definately a rumour going around (reported in the Grauniad and the Standard, IIRC) that he (Duggan) had been shot four times whilst laying on the ground, and rumours (even entirely fact-free ones) can kick this sort of thing off, as the Lozells riot demonstrated a few years back. Otherwise it is probably a mix of things, like the usual oiks taking a chance to have a go back, and the two police cars being left unprotected in the midst of an angry crowd etc etc
Yep - and we've had youth services cut to the bone in Haringey, there's no one in the middle to calm things, talk to people, so the rumours get out of hand and the anger builds and all the time the cops say nothing.
 
Well yes, but the shite papers saying he was an evil gangsta might indicate that in fact he was just some random guy the cops shot and then briefed their mates in the gutter press to lie about, as they have on so many other occasions after killing someone.

I personally have no knowledge one way or the other, but given the form the cops and shite papers have in such cases, it would be a rather refreshing change if they weren't selling cynical arse-covering porkies to the general public yet again in this case.

I'd be interested in hearing what the local view on the dead chap was.

Indeed, thought it was interesting he'd say something like that given his position as a high profile LibDem councillor...
 
Little bit of a lol at the last sentence of the BBC report:

"The Met said a handgun was found at the scene and a bullet was later found embedded in a police radio."

I don't think they meant it to sound like it does.
 
Odd, because it's not like there's the largest Hasidic community outside of Israel there or anything.

In Jerusalem, some groups of Hasidim seem to act on the principle that rioting doesn't break the Sabbath. (Probably quite different to these Hasidim.)
 
It's away from this specific instance really, yeah, that's the borough in general.

(I lived just by Seven Sisters - literally, about 50m away from the tube, a bit down Broad Lane - incidentally. I also have to say that I hated living there. All the actual people there were fine, mind.)
I love living there because of the people actually. I do feel a sense of community I didn't get anywhere else in London. This is why it depresses me so much.
 
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