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Kick Racism Out of Football

GarveyLives said:
Inevitably ...

The Chelsea fan accused of racially abusing Raheem Sterling as he claims he called England star 'a MANC c***' and moans about losing his job and season ticket 'so everyone's got what they wanted'

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60-year old Lambeth-born Colin Wing, now a resident of Beckenham​
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He's a total cunt but I don't like the way the shitty Mail dredges up totally irrelevant details about his family and posts up a picture of his house.

He is married to Theresa and the couple have had a daughter, Stacey, and a son George.
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skyscraper101 said:
Even IF as he claims he didn't say 'black,' his behaviour still deserves to be called out. Screaming abuse at any player well out of order for a start. But screaming abuse at a black player, live on TV, with the form Chelsea fans have for their racist contingents, shows such levels of fuckwittery - he deserves all the flack really. Sterling isn't even from Manchester for a start.

Plus, people like him are symptomatic of the inherent problems in football fan culture in this country. This moronic screaming of abuse at anyone who isn't your team, the herd mentality of mouth breathing tossers like this. is one of the massive turn offs for me in football. They fuck up the atmosphere everywhere. The tube, the pubs, the surrounding streets suddenly become all fighty and unpleasant.

That coupled with the rest of the modern football machinery, the millionaire owners, the gambling companies slapping their advertising on everything, the corruption and the elitism. It's turned the modern game into something I don't want to associate with at all.
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Come to Dulwich Hamlet or any other local non league team! So refreshing not to hear twats shouting abuse at each other.
 
editor said:
Come to Dulwich Hamlet or any other local non league team! So refreshing not to hear twats shouting abuse at each other.
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I do love that the lower/non-league teams are largely free from much of what I hate about the premiership. Hamlet from everything I understand would be a much better day out, and better value.
 
skyscraper101 said:
Even IF as he claims he didn't say 'black,' his behaviour still deserves to be called out. Screaming abuse at any player well out of order for a start. But screaming abuse at a black player, live on TV, with the form Chelsea fans have for their racist contingents, shows such levels of fuckwittery - he deserves all the flack really. Sterling isn't even from Manchester for a start.

Plus, people like him are symptomatic of the inherent problems in football fan culture in this country. This moronic screaming of abuse at anyone who isn't your team, the herd mentality of mouth breathing tossers like this. is one of the massive turn offs for me in football. They fuck up the atmosphere everywhere. The tube, the pubs, the surrounding streets suddenly become all fighty and unpleasant around match day. Why is it only football seems to attract these levels of morons. Granted you get twats with Rugby and Cricket too, but it doesn't even scratch the surface compared to football.

That coupled with the rest of the modern football machinery, the millionaire owners, the gambling companies slapping their advertising on everything, the corruption and the elitism. It's turned the modern game into something I don't want to associate with at all.
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skyscraper101 said:
1. Screaming abuse at any player well out of order for a start.

2. But screaming abuse at a black player, live on TV, with the form Chelsea fans have for their racist contingents, shows such levels of fuckwittery - he deserves all the flack really.

3. Sterling isn't even from Manchester for a start.

4. Granted you get twats with Rugby and Cricket too, but it doesn't even scratch the surface compared to football.
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1. Welcome to sport. Heckling the opposition is part of all sport both on and off the pitch. Even at Cricket they have sledging. At pro wrestling you have the baddie everyone screams at. It's all part of the pantomime that is sport.
In Canada they do it slightly different. They heckle their own team as it's rude to heckle guests. Hilariously true I swear.

2. If it's part of sport it would be racist to heckle only white players and exclude players because they are black. Treating them as less deserving of heckling.
There shouldn't be greater heckling coz they us black and it shouldn't be racial slurs but they should get equal levels (less than goalies who traditionally get more the outfield players).

3. Irrelevant in football. West Ham's goalie was berrated for being a jack bastard at the Cardiff game. He ain't from Swansea or even playing for Swansea. Just because he played for them once upon a time. Wear the shirt and take the money you are an honorary [whatever].

4. Got stats to back that up?
I don't mean stats of what is reported by the press but actual police stats.
The media loves to report football violence over other sports. Within football it prefers to report on certain clubs and brush under the carpet where possible the darlings of the prem.
I know this from seeing reports of Cardiff violence reported and exaggerated far and wide nationally and yet heard of worse violence at Chelsea that never made the papers.
They do the same with rugby and hide it.
 
Gromit said:
1. Welcome to sport. Heckling the opposition is part of all sport both on and off the pitch. Even at Cricket they have sledging. At pro wrestling you have the baddie everyone screams at. It's all part of the pantomime that is sport.
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Yeah that guy was 'heckling' Sterling with some cheeky quips. Right. And you're comparing it to booing the baddie in pro-wrestling? :D
Gromit said:
2. If it's part of sport it would be racist to heckle only white players and exclude players because they are black. Treating them as less deserving of heckling.
There shouldn't be greater heckling coz they us black and it shouldn't be racial slurs but they should get equal levels (less than goalies who traditionally get more the outfield players).
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Way to miss the point.
Gromit said:
3. Irrelevant in football. West Ham's goalie was berrated for being a jack bastard at the Cardiff game. He ain't from Swansea or even playing for Swansea. Just because he played for them once upon a time. Wear the shirt and take the money you are an honorary [whatever].
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You've just articulated perfectly the kind of moronic attitude which prevails in football fandom.
Gromit said:
4. Got stats to back that up?
I don't mean stats of what is reported by the press but actual police stats.
The media loves to report football violence over other sports. Within football it prefers to report on certain clubs and brush under the carpet where possible the darlings of the prem.
I know this from seeing reports of Cardiff violence reported and exaggerated far and wide nationally and yet heard of worse violence at Chelsea that never made the papers.
They do the same with rugby and hide it.
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So, you're seriously contesting that supporter violence is equivalent in Rugby and Cricket, but just under reported? No I don't have stats, but I hardly need any. They don't have to pass laws banning alcohol sales or beef up pub security to season ticket holders only around the grounds every week. I've never heard of travel bans and police spotters having to be used against fans in other sports. And on the very thread commenting about violent/racist abuse at Chelsea which has been picked up wholesale in the press, you're even saying the press deliberately under report on Chelsea because they are Prem 'darlings' and Cardiff get it much worse. The irony!
 
The guy acknowledged the fact that he appears on Sky regular because of where he is seated. Manc/Black (and i think he was being racist btw) whatever was said he looked like a nasty raging bully. Only an idiot would act like that knowing the world is watching.

Embarrassing for the vast majority of our support.
 
skyscraper101 said:
Yeah that guy was 'heckling' Sterling with some cheeky quips. Right. And you're comparing it to booing the baddie in pro-wrestling? :D
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My reply was to your assertion that ANY screaming at players was out of order. It was not a reply about that specific instance so dont make out that it was.
 
skyscraper101 said:
Yeah that guy was 'heckling' Sterling with some cheeky quips. Right. And you're comparing it to booing the baddie in pro-wrestling? :D

Way to miss the point.

You've just articulated perfectly the kind of moronic attitude which prevails in football fandom.


So, you're seriously contesting that supporter violence is equivalent in Rugby and Cricket, but just under reported? No I don't have stats, but I hardly need any. They don't have to pass laws banning alcohol sales or beef up pub security to season ticket holders only around the grounds every week. I've never heard of travel bans and police spotters having to be used against fans in other sports. And on the very thread commenting about violent/racist abuse at Chelsea which has been picked up wholesale in the press, you're even saying the press deliberately under report on Chelsea because they are Prem 'darlings' and Cardiff get it much worse. The irony!
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They do. It wasn't a newspaper that reported this first. It was social media. If a story gains a lot of ground on social media then yes they'll jump on the bandwagon (before social media and the internet you wouldn't have heard a peep).
Otherwise yes the negative page space they give to prem darlings compared other clubs is disproportionate.
 
Gromit said:
My reply was to your assertion that ANY screaming at players was out of order. It was not a reply about that specific instance so dont make out that it was.
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There’s a fair difference between acceptable shouting/joshing the opposition, and what I’m pointing out as unacceptable abuse and it’s plainly obvious I’m not advocating stopping people shouting at the football.
 
FWIW there is still an awful lot of homophobia in pro football, not to mention sexism in many sports.
There are few sports where women even come close to being equal to men in terms of pay, opportunity, facilities Etc.
 
skyscraper101 said:
There’s a fair difference between acceptable shouting/joshing the opposition, and what I’m pointing out as unacceptable abuse and it’s plainly obvious I’m not advocating stopping people shouting at the football.
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It was far from plainly obvious but thanks for the clarification.
 
Almost exactly a year ago ...

Man 'smiles' as he is jailed for racially assaulting Raheem Sterling

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Karl Anderson (above), who had been in a vehicle with his partner, began shouting racial abuse at Sterling and called him "you black Scouse c***".

Anderson also told the footballer: "I hope your mother and child wake up dead in the morning you n*****."

Immediately after being racially attcked, Mr Sterling went off to play a premier league match against Totteham Hotspur.​
 
editor said:
He's a total c**t but I don't like the way the sh**ty Mail dredges up totally irrelevant details about his family and posts up a picture of his house.
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I would imagine that like others, they are desperate to try and divert attention from the stated subject matter, [including the leading role that they play in this aspect of the issue - as clearly highlighted by Mr Sterling himself on social media on the morning following the attack on him at Stamford Bridge.

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The 'totally irrelevant' details merely illustrate the sort of people involved in this form of activity.
 
hash tag said:
It's not like Chelsea people to be known For their racism :confused::rolleyes:
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All of us ? I thought better of you hashtag.

GarveyLives said:
Exactly:

Paul Canoville was racially abused by his own fans… Now shocking tale of Chelsea’s first black star comes to TV

Chelsea racism claims could be just the tip of the iceberg

Chelsea racism scandal deepens as former players go public with claims
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I could dig out articles of racist abuse and discrimination in football clubs and also give you first hand accounts of racist crap at nice places of football like Ipswich,Liverpool and yes hash tag Crystal Palace. I won't because I doesn't help. It doesn't help when media sources fire the incidents along, it just helps to attract racist individuals to that group of supporters. Chelsea have been on the receiving end of some nasty tabloid articles that have not helped, we might be "Prem darlings" but the media have a field day when it's Chelsea. . Its only a week since the banana incident which yes was reported on but nowhere to the extent of this case.

Incidents like this piss me off and I've been supporting Chelsea a long time. I don't go anymore because I think the money ruined things despite it being part of our success. I should imagine our newer fan base, which includes from what I see a lot of black people, are really disappointed.
 
GarveyLives said:
The 'totally irrelevant' details merely illustrate the sort of people involved in this form of activity.
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Tell me why printing his daughter's name is relevant to this story. Thanks.

Oh and before you start posting up your usual snidey insinuations, I was on the front line fighting racism at football decades ago when doing so meant putting yourself at personal risk.
 
skyscraper101 said:
#notallchelseafans
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I mention it because because singling out one club , unless there is an overwhelming argument to do so, undermines fighting back against the increasing toxic atmosphere and these incidents generally. It's not just out and out racist verbal abuse but also the impact of a small groups of DFLA supporters at some of the midland clubs , Palace, QPR, Watford , West Ham and Spurs . The important thing is to unite all those against what's happening rather than just label clubs. The campaign at Hearts for example is to be welcomed .
 
The39thStep said:
I mention it because because singling out one club , unless there is an overwhelming argument to do so, undermines fighting back against the increasing toxic atmosphere and these incidents generally. It's not just out and out racist verbal abuse but also the impact of a small groups of DFLA supporters at some of the midland clubs , Palace, QPR, Watford , West Ham and Spurs . The important thing is to unite all those against what's happening rather than just label clubs. The campaign at Hearts for example is to be welcomed .
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If I was singling out Chelsea, it wasn’t to tar all fans with the racist brush, it was merely to point out that he’s doing no favours to the image of Chelsea fans that many people still have of headhunters, combat18 and those twats on the Paris metro.

Someone with a front row season ticket, who’s aware he shows up on telly often, should be a bit brighter than this.
 
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