Katie Hopkins
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But as I've pointed out, settled immigrants can object to new immigrants of their ethnicity. And not for reasons of where they're from. More because they've established themselves but feel they'll be lumped in as immigrants all over again.
Treacle Toes
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Pathetic. Does this conversation make you uncomfortable? If so you can simply look away you know.
Perhaps you think your understanding of the subject and opinions are all that should discussed?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Is there something wrong with bi-racial?
Sounds great to me.
Half caste used to imply only half of something and therefore inferior.
Mixed is the common phrase now but it still for me implies a bit of this a bit of that.
Bi implies two. Two is double. Double is more. More is positive. Bi gives you the option two switch to which you fancy at that time. Bi lingual. I can speak Welsh. I can speak English. Doesn't make my English half. It's as full as I like it to be.
Its generally a question of Im alright Jack. Something I generally disapprove of.
It doesn't make me uncomfortable. You get stuck in.
So we've boiled it down to objections to immigration are either 'I'm alright jack' or 'racism'.
Pretty much.
Treacle Toes
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You seem a little confused. I don't need your permission.
Its not permission. Its endorsement. And no one says you need it but I'm getting the full Rutita1 experience, which is great.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the rest of us are getting the full B.I.G experience, which is not so great
Treacle Toes
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You are not getting the full anything. You are simply being told to back off and stop trying to police the questions I ask and why.
I think I am
100% Rutita1 Its almost like a flow chart is being followed.
I'm not on the attack. Let it go.
You ask whatever questions you like with no policing from me. On any subject you like. Or the same subject. Whatever.
Treacle Toes
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No, I am 100% me.I think I am
Well if that is true what was the point of these comments?
You got pointlessly stuck into me in a really catty way and are now bemoaning my defending myself.
Classic example of not being able to take what you dish out.
No, I am 100% me.
Well if that is true what was the point of these comments?
You got pointlessly stuck into me in a really catty way and are now bemoaning my defending myself.
Classic example of not being able to take what you dish out.
I can't take it. How astute. You see into my very soul.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
boot in gob
Attention mikey mikey
Look what I got??
Who was I before then Rutita1 that I am now hiding from?
The great urban bantz of you were so and so before
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maomao
普費斯
I'm not. I've got him on ignore.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
maomao
普費斯
Byebye I'm Going hopefully.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Well, I feel slightly tarnished by likes now I see how many people are against him.
Just to reiterate on the point which I think set this off (although I take it there's history...):
I don't have any problem, or imagine for a moment that I'd have the right to have a problem, with anyone self-identifying as 'biracial' or any other term they like. All I intended was to lightly take the piss out of the person whose remarks included it, because he appeared to be arguing his unimpeachably right-on credentials in a way that wasn't particularly self-aware (cf previous comment about property portfolio), and pedantically picking holes in that was funny to me. People who self-identify as biracial or any other kind of -racial will generally be aware that some people don't like the term 'race' and why that is.
Just to reiterate on the point which I think set this off (although I take it there's history...):
I don't have any problem, or imagine for a moment that I'd have the right to have a problem, with anyone self-identifying as 'biracial' or any other term they like. All I intended was to lightly take the piss out of the person whose remarks included it, because he appeared to be arguing his unimpeachably right-on credentials in a way that wasn't particularly self-aware (cf previous comment about property portfolio), and pedantically picking holes in that was funny to me. People who self-identify as biracial or any other kind of -racial will generally be aware that some people don't like the term 'race' and why that is.
maomao doesnt like the fact I don't care for Romford. Pickman's model doesn't like the fact I mention that he loves to post anything just to boost his post count.
Generally no one like their own pet likes from being challenged but Urban has its own little community that reinforces its own opinions.
Nothing wrong with that. Happens all over the world.
They also love to accuse people of being someone else. Which is probably a sign of something or other.
It is what is is.
Generally no one like their own pet likes from being challenged but Urban has its own little community that reinforces its own opinions.
Nothing wrong with that. Happens all over the world.
They also love to accuse people of being someone else. Which is probably a sign of something or other.
It is what is is.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Racism isn't some logical, well defined set of concepts, it's a nasty insidious tool used by the ruling class to divide workers and pit them against each other and against their own interests. Being subjected to racism doesn't inoculate you against it.
When established groups complain about migrants reflecting the common racist assumptions of the day it's still racism. Even if the only difference between themselves and the new arrivals is the date of arrival. So, yes, it is possible for Poles to be racist about Poles just as it's possible for Jews to be anti-semitic and Muslims to be Islamophobic.
But I never did any of that. What I did was say the concept of immigration exists to suit the needs of the capitalist class and therefore those whose communities are affected by it shouldn't be cunted off as 'racist' by people who don't even live in those communities.
Now, from your POV I'm a racist cunt but from mine you're not willing to listen to working class communities if it works against your theories.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
You're straw manning like crazy here.
First we have "the concept of immigration" that "exists to suit the needs of the capitalist class," which must mean arguments about racism are irrelevant because being anti-immigration is anti-capitalist. Also, it denies migrants any agency in their movements which just "suit the needs of the capitalist class" and are therefore against the interests of the working class. In a way this reminds me of the old SPGB line about the wages system benefiting "the needs of the capitalist class" and therefore we shouldn't fight for better pay*. There might be a certain truth in both positions, but they ignore the real world class struggle.
Then we have these hypothetical "working class communities" that are in complete agreement about immigration - because people who disagree with them "don't even live in those communities." As if anti-racism was something imposed on the working class by well meaning, but naive, liberals. It might surprise you to know there's a strong anti-racist current within the working class, and I consider myself part of it.
Finally, I'm supposed to think you're a racist cunt - presumably to fit your idea of liberals who cunt off working class communities, etc. If I thought that I wouldn't have carried on the discussion. As it is I thought we were having a conversation about arguments about immigration. If I suggest some of those arguments are racist that isn't because I'm some liberal elitist twat with "theories," but because they are predicated on racist assumptions which, however inadequately, I have spelt out. Simply saying it's an argument made by working class people doesn't negate that racism.
* Not sure if this was actually a thing or just apocryphal.
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19force8
For the avoidance of faith
You're right, we have kind of slipped off topic. I'll stop now.This is a marvellous thread. Well done all.
