Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[nuffsaid]

I wonder why you're bothering with this line. You know what I meant.

Well yeah of course, I'm just bemused as to why the majority of people do believe there was a chemical attack but are happy not to punish it. There isn't really the risk of hitting Russian planes, unless they park them in the chemical weapons factories, none were hit so the US did the job (if a little limited). What's wrong with people. Russia doesn't want a war with the US and vice-versa. Assad shouldn't get away with it.

 

[kabbes]

Well yeah of course, I'm just bemused as to why the majority of people do believe there was a chemical attack but are happy not to punish it. There isn't really the risk of hitting Russian planes, unless they park them in the chemical weapons factories, none were hit so the US did the job (if a little limited). What's wrong with people. Russia doesn't want a war with the US and vice-versa. Assad shouldn't get away with it.

I don't know what it is you think is achieved by the isolated lobbing of a few missiles in the direction of Syria. You think that "punishes" Assad? In what way? And how does this punishment help people avoid a chemical attack in the future?

 

[nuffsaid]

Yes, it's a real mystery why people who prefer peaceful solutions wouldn't endorse the use of weapons as a solution.

Assad couldn't give a toss about peaceful solutions. Delaying for peaceful solutions allows him to bomb more people, the longer a peaceful solution comes about the better for Assad. We shouldn't be playing into his hands. You can say 'all's well that ends well' at the end of the day but that will only be after 1000s more deaths and those lives could be saved if we impact Assad's ability to kill more of his people. His regime is the aggressor.

 

[kabbes]

Assad couldn't give a toss about peaceful solutions. Delaying for peaceful solutions allows him to bomb more people, the longer a peaceful solution comes about the better for Assad. We shouldn't be playing into his hands. You can say 'all's well that ends well' at the end of the day but that will only be after 1000s more deaths and those lives could be saved if we impact Assad's ability to kill more of his people. His regime is the aggressor.

I don't know what it is you think is achieved by the isolated lobbing of a few missiles in the direction of Syria. You think that "punishes" Assad? In what way? And how does this punishment help people avoid a chemical attack in the future?

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[nuffsaid]

I don't know what it is you think is achieved by the isolated lobbing of a few missiles in the direction of Syria. You think that "punishes" Assad? In what way? And how does this punishment help people avoid a chemical attack in the future?

By degrading his ability to use chemical weapons........that's all the strike was about. To stop the war crimes of using chemical weapons!

 

[kabbes]

By degrading his ability to use chemical weapons........that's all the strike was about. To stop the war crimes of using chemical weapons!

A few missiles lobbed in the direction of some abandoned air bases doesn't degrade his ability to use chemical weapons.

 

[rutabowa]

If they were aimed accurately at currently active chemical weapons factories, though, then that would be a good thing right? potentially?

 

[kabbes]

If they were aimed accurately at currently active chemical weapons factories, though, then that would be a good thing right? potentially?

I'd want some damn good evidence that was what was happening and what was being done to prevent civilian casualties.

Given the lack of such evidence over the last 20 years of war, it's hardly surprising the British public are a bit skeptical of the use of military force in this kind of situation.

 

[agricola]

A few missiles lobbed in the direction of some abandoned air bases doesn't degrade his ability to use chemical weapons.

Yes, but it indicates our resolve to lob missiles in the direction of some abandoned air bases. Combine that with us retiring the aircraft that can lob those missiles, and no-one should be in any doubt of this nations willingness to lob missiles at abandoned air bases across the world in defence of human rights.

 

[nuffsaid]

A few missiles lobbed in the direction of some abandoned air bases doesn't degrade his ability to use chemical weapons.

Then you lob some more if anymore chemical weapon are used, and continually degrade and degrade until your left with Assad's house.

 

[kabbes]

Then you lob some more if anymore chemical weapon are used, and continually degrade and degrade until your left with Assad's house.

And this is how we’ve achieved 20 years of a peaceful Middle East with no problematic regimes at all.

 

[emanymton]

By degrading his ability to use chemical weapons........that's all the strike was about. To stop the war crimes of using chemical weapons!

Yep, sure course it was.

 

[nuffsaid]

Getting off Corbyn topic, this should be in And next Syria, so I'll desist further launches.....for now.

 

[Rob Ray]

Well at least you've left the thread in no doubt that if people keep spreading around words about Syria you'll retaliate with a brief but tremendously effective* tirade designed to degrade the conversation.

*According to the nuffsaid Ministry of Threads

 

[nuffsaid]

Well at least you've left the thread in no doubt that if people keep spreading around words about Syria you'll retaliate with a brief but tremendously effective* tirade designed to degrade the conversation.

*According to the nuffsaid Ministry of Threads

 

[redsquirrel]

Carwyn Jones standing down in November.

The first minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones, will stand down in the autumn.

He made the surprise announcement at the Welsh Labour party conference in Llandudno on Saturday.

Jones’s decision means Wales will have a new first minister at the start of December.

Surely going to be some internal politicking here.

 

[agricola]

Carwyn Jones standing down in November.

Surely going to be some internal politicking here.

That, and he is rubbish.

 

[redsquirrel]

Sorry, I meant there will be a lot of internal politics in selecting his replacement.

But yes the Sargent stuff, added his general anti-Corby stance must be large part of why he's leaving.

 

[NoXion]

Sorry, I meant there will be a lot of internal politics in selecting his replacement.

But yes the Sargent stuff, added his general anti-Corby stance must be large part of why he's leaving.

What did the good folk of Corby ever do to Carwyn Jones?

 

[redsquirrel]

What did the good folk of Corby ever do to Carwyn Jones?

Effing autocorrect.

 

[William of Walworth]

More leftwing replacements than Carwyn James to replace him, here in Wales?

There'll be some

Leftwing enough ones though?

Candidates will be selected from Welsh Assembly members, I suppose ...

So I fear a shortage

 

[The39thStep]

Ladbrokes have shifted their odds on Labours target councils in the local elections. Poll to be published that doesnt make good reading for Labour.Tories now 1/25 on to hold Kensington and Chelsea .

 

[killer b]

It's the new poll for QMU Politics department, out tomorrow (it's last poll had a huge lead for Labour in the capital, I expect we've seen some tightening since...)

 

[patman post]

Overall, Conservatives seem to be 5 points ahead of Labour. But Labour always does reasonably in London, although it remains to be seen how the current antisemitism row affects support...

UK Polling Report

 

[killer b]

By 'overall', you mean 'a single poll a few weeks ago', I guess.

 

[patman post]

By 'overall', you mean 'a single poll a few weeks ago', I guess.

The link says fieldwork done on 16 & 17 April for a poll published on 21 April...

 

[killer b]

how does that one outlier translate into 'overall'?

overall, the polls are flat on around 40% each, as they have been for the best part of a year, with the only recent change being a slight tendency to tory leads from a slight tendency to Labour leads.

 

[patman post]

how does that one outlier translate into 'overall'?

overall, the polls are flat on around 40% each, as they have been for the best part of a year, with the only recent change being a slight tendency to tory leads from a slight tendency to Labour leads.

Try “countrywide” if that’s easier to grasp...

 

[killer b]

The page you linked to has a whole list of national polls - there has been five since the one with the 5-point tory lead, three of which were tied, one which had a 1 point tory lead, one with a 1 point labour lead.

Do you know what an outlier is?

 

[patman post]

The page you linked to has a whole list of national polls - there has been five since the one with the 5-point tory lead, three of which were tied, one which had a 1 point tory lead, one with a 1 point labour lead.

Do you know what an outlier is?

As distinct from an out-and-out lier...?