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Fair enough. Dont quite know what you're getting at though.
Perhaps I should have pretended to see the clip. Or not said anything at all?
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Fair enough. Dont quite know what you're getting at though.
Perhaps I should have pretended to see the clip. Or not said anything at all?
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
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Onket
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Fair enough. Dont quite know what you're getting at though.
Well, you could have lied, or you could have commented on the use of the word generally, or you could have watched a clip & then commented on the use of it in this specific incident.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
maybe, when you've had NF sprayed on your coat and been called a niggerlover, and had vile things said to you about family members, you might react differently to bigotry than other people. i'd like to think however, that i'd confront bigotry no matter what my experience was.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
^^^ yep, and also his comment about 'neven having thought about how lucky he was before, living in England, free health, welfare system'
SHURLY Jamie, you thought about it BEFORE????
Anyway, at least he's not Ramsey, that's what I call a grade 1 wanker
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Recipe? Please?I'd like to show him how to make a proper goulash. I saw one where he roasted and called it a goulash.
I don't mind jamie, but he completley dissed my national dish and needs a good talking to.
THAT MONSTROSITY is NOT goulash!
Or GTFO.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I haven't watched the programme, keep missing it.agreed, he needs to stop saying "brutha"
i'm ambivalent about Jamie...his earlier shows were interesting, his cookware is crap,
this new series is actually not bad. i saw the NYC episode - that was interesting..i find his wife more annoying
But does he actually say "brother" or "brutha"?
Being a mockney, doesn't he say "bruvva" or "bruv"?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The last time I heard the word said aloud, it was spoken by some black guy in a Caribbean pub at the end of my street and I was a bit taken aback, tbh, but then again I guess he was saying 'nigga' as opposed to 'nigger', whatever difference that's supposed to make.
But what was I supposed to do, as a white woman, in a Caribbean pub, overhearing it being said by a black guy? Say, "erm, excuse me, would you mind awfully, but I'd rather you didn't use such offensive language in my presence, thank you very much". I didn't feel I could say anything. So I didn't.
[And while racist language has been likened to homophobic language in this thread, and you can go off on the tangential debate about what terms have or haven't been reclaimed and what is or isn't acceptable when spoken by whom, don't get me started on misogynistic language like bitches and hos, for example... ]
I'm not quite sure how I would have reacted in such circumstances, either.
I'd like to think that I would have objected - a couple of months ago I 'de-friended' a former urbanite on Facebook because him and his mates were making lots of 'jokey' homophobic comments and I found that offensive, and if someone made similar racist comments, I'd cut them off and/or voice my objections.
But I wonder whether in similar circumstances my brain might have taken a bit of a time out. I mean, if I was filming something, and one of the random people appearing in the programme, in shot, said it, I'm not sure I'd be able to react quickly enough. I mean, I realise that a lot of people will have offensive redneck views, in private, and that's the historical legacy of slavery and racist laws and institutionalised racism in many of the US' southern states.
But I think I would be a bit taken aback to hear it spoken out loud, in public, on camera, and it would take a wee while for my brain to process it: Did s/he really say that? In public? On camera?
And then my brain would run a counter-argument, saying, No, surely, not, it's not the 1950s anymore, we're in 2009, Barack Obama is president, I must have misheard what I think they said, surely. I can't accuse them of being racist, what if I misheard it? I must have misheard it, mustn't I? Because surely no one in their right mind, whatever their redneck views in private, would say such a thing out loud, in public, on camera, in 2009.
And I'd possibly convince myself that I was mistaken, that I must have misheard.
And by the time that internal dialogue had run it's course, and if by that time I thought, nope, I wasn't mistaken, I really did hear that OMG! unbelievable! Then the time to raise an objection would possibly have passed. I mean, you need to respond and object immediately. It would seem weird for five minutes to pass while your internal dialogue ran through the whole: Did I really hear that? Did s/he really say that? No, not possible, not in this day and age, but there are loads of rednecks round here, so it's possible, but surely not, not in public, not on camera, not so blatantly... and then to chase after the person and say: Oi! Btw, what you said five minutes ago was so out of order mate!
I didn't see it, but is it possible that Jamie Oliver maybe didn't hear properly or maybe didn't believe his own ears, and maybe it was only after playing back the sequence that they confirmed it had, in fact, been said, and then he reacted to that confirmation?
But what was I supposed to do, as a white woman, in a Caribbean pub, overhearing it being said by a black guy? Say, "erm, excuse me, would you mind awfully, but I'd rather you didn't use such offensive language in my presence, thank you very much". I didn't feel I could say anything. So I didn't.
[And while racist language has been likened to homophobic language in this thread, and you can go off on the tangential debate about what terms have or haven't been reclaimed and what is or isn't acceptable when spoken by whom, don't get me started on misogynistic language like bitches and hos, for example...
]I didn't see the programme, but understand from comments here that it was spoken by a white person in southern USA.
I'm not quite sure how I would have reacted in such circumstances, either.
I'd like to think that I would have objected - a couple of months ago I 'de-friended' a former urbanite on Facebook because him and his mates were making lots of 'jokey' homophobic comments and I found that offensive, and if someone made similar racist comments, I'd cut them off and/or voice my objections.
But I wonder whether in similar circumstances my brain might have taken a bit of a time out. I mean, if I was filming something, and one of the random people appearing in the programme, in shot, said it, I'm not sure I'd be able to react quickly enough. I mean, I realise that a lot of people will have offensive redneck views, in private, and that's the historical legacy of slavery and racist laws and institutionalised racism in many of the US' southern states.
But I think I would be a bit taken aback to hear it spoken out loud, in public, on camera, and it would take a wee while for my brain to process it: Did s/he really say that? In public? On camera?
And then my brain would run a counter-argument, saying, No, surely, not, it's not the 1950s anymore, we're in 2009, Barack Obama is president, I must have misheard what I think they said, surely. I can't accuse them of being racist, what if I misheard it? I must have misheard it, mustn't I? Because surely no one in their right mind, whatever their redneck views in private, would say such a thing out loud, in public, on camera, in 2009.
And I'd possibly convince myself that I was mistaken, that I must have misheard.
And by the time that internal dialogue had run it's course, and if by that time I thought, nope, I wasn't mistaken, I really did hear that OMG! unbelievable!
Then the time to raise an objection would possibly have passed. I mean, you need to respond and object immediately. It would seem weird for five minutes to pass while your internal dialogue ran through the whole: Did I really hear that? Did s/he really say that? No, not possible, not in this day and age, but there are loads of rednecks round here, so it's possible, but surely not, not in public, not on camera, not so blatantly... and then to chase after the person and say: Oi! Btw, what you said five minutes ago was so out of order mate! I didn't see it, but is it possible that Jamie Oliver maybe didn't hear properly or maybe didn't believe his own ears, and maybe it was only after playing back the sequence that they confirmed it had, in fact, been said, and then he reacted to that confirmation?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I thought it was good that they left the clip in. Jaime was obviously a bit naive about how racist ignorant rednecks can be in the South. Obama must wonder why he bothers trying to get free healthcare for such retards.
Gavin Bl
terrible awful baaad
yes, it was an 'interesting' moment - tbh, I've always found it painfully difficult to confront people on stuff like that, even when I don't expect a punch in the face. Some of us are just not good at confrontation.
As someone else said, I'm amazed at his claim never to have heard 'nigger' used in anger or abuse. Maybe if he was 22 or something, but he's about 35.
His 'brother' bit has been really grating, but on the whole I've found it a really enjoyable series, and to be fair to him, trying to get into little nooks and crannies of America that people don't really see. The native American one next week should be interesting.
As someone else said, I'm amazed at his claim never to have heard 'nigger' used in anger or abuse. Maybe if he was 22 or something, but he's about 35.
His 'brother' bit has been really grating, but on the whole I've found it a really enjoyable series, and to be fair to him, trying to get into little nooks and crannies of America that people don't really see. The native American one next week should be interesting.
I haven't watched the programme, keep missing it.
But does he actually say "brother" or "brutha"?
Being a mockney, doesn't he say "bruvva" or "bruv"?
well as he is so mumbly it's really hard to tell
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