IWCA v BNP, on your radio

[love detective]

Was going to post this on the BNP thread but thought it was worth a new thread

Stuart Craft from the IWCA will be taking on Simon Darby from the BNP in a live debate on Oxford's new community radio station OX105.4FM, this coming monday morning

 

[DrRingDing]

Do they stream?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Wont be able to hear it live so please post up a listen again link

 

[JimW]

Looks like you can listen online: http://www.ox105fm.com/

 

[bignose1]

Was going to post this on the BNP thread but thought it was worth a new thread

Stuart Craft from the IWCA will be taking on Simon Darby from the BNP in a live debate on Oxford's new community radio station OX105.4FM, this coming monday morning

NO Platform was the cry

 

[belboid]

Stuart Craft from the IWCA will be taking on Simon Darby from the BNP in a live debate on Oxford's new community radio station OX105.4FM, this coming monday morning

why?

 

[love detective]

because closing your eyes & ears and pretending they (as in the tendencies that they represent) don't exist is not the best way of addressing the problem that that existence poses

it's a radio station based in blackbird leys, and is having a debate/session on youth unemployment, the education system, housing and Britishness - why wouldn't someone from the IWCA who has been very active and successful in pro working class community organisation in that area turn down the opportunity to put a pro working class/progressive counter to the euro nationalist argument

 

[Fedayn]

because closing your eyes & ears and pretending they (as in the tendencies that they represent) don't exist is not the best way of addressing the problem that that existence poses

it's a radio station based in blackbird leys, and is having a debate/session on youth unemployment, the education system, housing and Britishness - why wouldn't someone from the IWCA who has been very active and successful in pro working class community organisation in that area turn down the opportunity to put a pro working class/progressive counter to the euro nationalist argument

Perhaps a question worth asking is why invite Simon Darby onto the show in the first place?

 

[belboid]

quite. The BNP are miniscule in Oxford aren't they? This looks like a simple attempt to get a foothold (especially after the IWCA have said they aren't standing again), and Stuart is going to help them do that.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

quite. The BNP are miniscule in Oxford aren't they? This looks like a simple attempt to get a foothold (especially after the IWCA have said they aren't standing again), and Stuart is going to help them do that.

Help how exactly?

 

[belboid]

Staurt Craft is a credible figure. By appearing in a debate with a group without any presence in the area, he is sharing his credibility with them. I've no doubt he'll wipe the floor with Darby, but that isn't the point, Darby will still be appealing to, and recruiting and organising, a minority of listeners.

 

[love detective]

Perhaps a question worth asking is why invite Simon Darby onto the show in the first place?

perhaps, but that would be a question for the radio station no?

once invited however, and the invitation then extended to the IWCA to counter his crap - what would be the most politically appropriate response - to decline and give them a free ride, or accept and use the opportunity to push a pro working class progressive alternative?

 

[Fedayn]

perhaps, but that would be a question for the radio station no?

once invited however, and the invitation then extended to the IWCA to counter his crap - what would be the most politically appropriate response - to decline and give them a free ride, or accept and use the opportunity to push a pro working class progressive alternative?

It would be for the station yes, but their invite of Darby which makes me wonder what sort of community radio station it is.

 

[Red Storm]

Was going to post this on the BNP thread but thought it was worth a new thread

Stuart Craft from the IWCA will be taking on Simon Darby from the BNP in a live debate on Oxford's new community radio station OX105.4FM, this coming monday morning

What time?

Can someone make a recording

 

[love detective]

It would be for the station yes, but their invite of Darby which makes me wonder what sort of community radio station it is.

perhaps, but i'm sure you would acknowledge that you don't always get to choose the terrain on which you politically compete within

maybe you could ask the boss of the radio what type of community station it is, here he is:-

 

[bignose1]

why?

A fucking disgrace but no surprise really...

 

[belboid]

perhaps, but that would be a question for the radio station no?

and anyone who decides to join in with the radio stations debate.

once invited however, and the invitation then extended to the IWCA to counter his crap - what would be the most politically appropriate response - to decline and give them a free ride, or accept and use the opportunity to push a pro working class progressive alternative?

because you are giving them credibility. woujld the iwca debate anyone they were asked to? because you could use the same argument about anyone. If the BNP had a base, councillors etc, in Oxford, thats one thing, but when theyt dont....it makes no sense

 

[love detective]

so the million odd people who have articulated their desire for the type of politics the BNP push, does not of course represent an existing & established sense of credibility of these kind of politics among a significant part of the population (particularly amongst white working class areas like BBL), and one that needs countering

oh no - so yes, let's lump that manifest latent support in with all kinds of other things that genuinely don't represent a threat and ignore them

 

[belboid]

the million odd people dont live within blackbird leys community radio stations reach, do they? Is there an significant BNP branch there? You are helping them build a local presence.

 

[love detective]

funny when the IWCA do stuff at a local level the cry is always but what about the bigger picture - but then when the bigger picture is brought in, the cry inverts itself - because of course the bigger picture and the local picture do not interact on each other in any sense, complete separate

far better for lefty to protect the local working class by making sure they are not allowed to even hear the arguments of the right, let alone have them countered

 

[Fedayn]

perhaps, but i'm sure you would acknowledge that you don't always get to choose the terrain on which you politically compete within

maybe you could ask the boss of the radio what type of community station it is, here he is:-

Does his being black stop him from being a fucking idiot? Does his being black stop him from being a useful idiot for the BNP to say oh look we're appearing on a station run by a black fella, we ain't racist us oh know.

 

[Blagsta]

the million odd people dont live within blackbird leys community radio stations reach, do they? Is there an significant BNP branch there? You are helping them build a local presence.

Surely if Stuart Craft can present a good opposing argument, then he is helping build the IWCA?

 

[Fedayn]

far better for lefty to protect the local working class by making sure they are not allowed to even hear the arguments of the right, let alone have them countered

Where does anyone say that? This is a straw man argument. By the way, people can access the BNP message without listening to this community radio station you know, where has anyone said they shouldn't be allowed to hear them?

 

[love detective]

Does his being black stop him from being a fucking idiot? Does his being black stop him from being a useful idiot for the BNP to say oh look we're appearing on a station run by a black fella, we ain't racist us oh know.

no of course not, although i got the hint of a suggestion in your post that the radio station itself might have been some kind of one which was organisationally sympathetic to the BNP (or even a front for it)

and yes you're right he could be a useful idiot to the BNP - perhaps all the more reason why a useful non idiot like Stuart should take part

 

[belboid]

funny when the IWCA do stuff at a local level the cry is always but what about the bigger picture - but then when the bigger picture is brought in, the cry inverts itself - because of course the bigger picture and the local picture do not interact on each other in any sense, complete separate

far better for lefty to protect the local working class by making sure they are not allowed to even hear the arguments of the right, let alone have them countered

thats not a reply top anything i've actually said. Craft will undoubtedly be a better opponent for him than anyone else they were likely to ask, but that is still lending him credibility. Sorry.

 

[Fedayn]

no of course not, although i got the hint of a suggestion in your post that the radio station itself might have been some kind of one which was sympathetic to the BNP

and yes you're right he could be a useful idiot to the BNP - perhaps all the more reason why a useful non idiot like Stuart should take part

It was two fold, the possibility said station could be dodgy, ie possibly 'racially aware' is slightly refuted by his being black. However his being black doesn't mean he is somehow opposed to the BNP position on immigration, islam etc. The other being what idiot invites them on the first place.
He has already given the BNP a PR opportunity by their accepting the invite, their appearing on a radio station with this fella at the head gives them credibility and also makes the race bollocks harder to stick.

 

[love detective]

thats not a reply top anything i've actually said. Craft will undoubtedly be a better opponent for him than anyone else they were likely to ask, but that is still lending him credibility. Sorry.

so best way to counter the million odd vote potential reservoir (probably 2-3 times that when extrapolated) is to ignore it, fine

 

[belboid]

Not appearing on one small radio show does not equate to 'ignoring', dont be silly. You haven't answered a single point actually made. By appearing with him on this show, it is more likely that he'll be invited back. By letting the station know you think he shouldnt have been invited in the first place, he's less likely to be invited back.

 

[Fedayn]

so best way to counter the million odd vote potential reservoir (probably 2-3 times that when extrapolated) is to ignore it, fine

The only way to counter it is to appear on the same programme? How many listen to this radio station? Where is the potential reservoir for the BNP in this area? What evidence do the IWCA etc have that not appearing on the show will be a disaster for pro-working class politics?

 

[love detective]

However his being black doesn't mean he is somehow opposed to the BNP position on immigration, islam etc. The other being what idiot invites them on the first place.
He has already given the BNP a PR opportunity by their accepting the invite, their appearing on a radio station with this fella at the head gives them credibility and also makes the race bollocks harder to stick.

I agree, but the situation in the here & now is that he has been invited on by the radio station and could use that to do exactly as you say - the choice then is, when invited to counter exactly the kind of thing you allude to above, should the IWCA just refuse and give them a free reign, in their own backyard in BBL?

Stuart's position will be one of attacking the kind of multiculturalism (i.e. lots of separate mono cultural communities) pushed by the BNP, black nationalists, liberal multiculturalism, and all other kinds of reactionary identity politics - in favour of a working class perspective