iwca article on brixton
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articletwo said:
no, a new school won't solve the problems. Not that much has changed since they closed down Dick Sheppard & Tulse Hill. The fundamental problem is that your peers won't want to send their offspring to secondary with local kids. They deserve 'better'. You'll understand why when you've done a few years of standing in the primary school playground.
Yes, that's me being cynical.
There's no reason to, unless you reckon your own personal actions are entirely stereotypical of the identified problems. You looked at the options in front of you, and decided what you wanted to do. No problem, and no criticism.
You're part of a trend. That trend has origins and consequences. Local people are seeking to understand what's occuring, to describe the effects of the trend, to draw attention to how that affects those who have few choices. Because let's face it, there are plenty of people who can't move when their kids hit 11, whose view of the area doesn't include 'vibrant' or 'edgy', whose experience of gentrification is almost wholly negative.
And arising from that understanding might come some inkling as to how to respond: eg opposing planning applications for yet another bar or another gated luxury development. Personalising the discussions just gets in the way of that.
editor said:
I'm not sure, perhaps you can help but I hadn't heard this term until I joined up on these boards and was wondering why it has become almost de riguer in the Albert.
BTW Did you edit your original post to add the abusive bit?
editor
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So you really are being a smart arse wanker whose sole interest in this thread is to cause disruption then?Chuck Wilson said:
When was the last time you were in the Albert?
Who did you hear use the term? How often?
And, finally, what relevant point are you trying to make, if any?
editor said:
Stop shining that angle poised light in my face and don't be so rude. If I used the same language that you have ( and Dubversion ) to me I would think that I would have been banned by now.
The phrase 'quaffing ' is one I haven't heard used in London apart from here.I am familair with 'on the soup, on the lash, a couple of refreshers, a couple of jars, on the piss, a swift thirst, on the steam, chucking it down the neck, a few sherberts etc but not 'quaffing' Is it an indigenous phrase or has it been introduced by non Londoners
editor
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You've contributed nothing even remotely on topic to this thread.Chuck Wilson said:
We both know that I'm just about the only person here who reguarly uses the word 'quaff' in relation to having a drink in the Albert, so it's obvious you're trying to score cheap points by referring to the word as being "...forced upon the locals by some of this new influx" [into Brixton.]
You then claimed that the term is "almost de riguer in the Albert", so I'll ask you again: When was the last time you were in the Albert? Who did you hear use the term? How often?
Or maybe you'll just come clean and admit that you're being a pathetic little trollboy here and by bringing up Dubversion (what's he got to do with this thread?!) your real intentions have been exposed.
editor
hiraethified
I picked it up from a Spitting Image sketch of Oliver Reed where he always going on about, "we'll quaff, quaff and quaff again!"linerider said:Terry Pratchett describes quaffing as "like drinking but you spill more"
(I do hope that answers any future Qs from Chuck on the subject. Perhaps he'll answer mine now)
I hadn't thought of any future questions but thank you for answering ones that you thought I might ask in a reply to someone else. I think you'll find that there are quite a lot of people who post on here who use the phrase quaffing not just you or are you claiming now to have started the whole trend off? . When I last drank in the Albert is irrelevant, you wouldn't know me from adam anyway. But those who I am in contact with who do pop in have pointed out about the uniqueness of the term to the Albert.
Why bring Dubversion into it? Because both him and you don't play by the rules that you have set for this board. Would it be ok if I called him a cunt and you a twat?
Why bring Dubversion into it? Because both him and you don't play by the rules that you have set for this board. Would it be ok if I called him a cunt and you a twat?
FridgeMagnet
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oh shut up, Chuck, you're blatantly trolling, stop itChuck Wilson said:
it's like people don't think we've got a brain between us sometimes
FridgeMagnet
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Seems rather low really, for Urban.
Anyway, back to the thread topic.
Anyway, back to the thread topic.
editor said:
But calling me a cunt and a twat is ok?
FridgeMagnet said:
Well at least you're polite. OK. I'll leave it for tonite.
Donna Ferentes
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Back on topic - my small quarrel with hendo's post (and more so with articletwo) is that - as I seem to remember saying on a previous long gentrification thread - there's no way you can discuss these issues without some degree of discussion of the attitudes and effects of people with god incomes moving into the area. Some of this discussion will be unfair, some will take a rosier view of the past than is justifiable and some will fail to acknowledge that having new people in, including those on decent incomes, can be a very good thing.
Nevertheless it has to happen - you can't expect people just to say "well, just in case anybody's offended we won't broach the subject". Nor can it be denied that in certain respects - schools, gated developments, the winnowing out of locals' pubs in favour of bars, the undertones of the council's advertising policy - there is a process going on in which certain types of people are seen to be more welcome and certain other types are not. If some people feel they are among the first kind and feel they are resented for it, then, to some degree - well, you've got to take the rough with the smooth, I'm afraid.
And if I had a good income I might very well be tempted to buy a place in Brixton myself.
Nevertheless it has to happen - you can't expect people just to say "well, just in case anybody's offended we won't broach the subject". Nor can it be denied that in certain respects - schools, gated developments, the winnowing out of locals' pubs in favour of bars, the undertones of the council's advertising policy - there is a process going on in which certain types of people are seen to be more welcome and certain other types are not. If some people feel they are among the first kind and feel they are resented for it, then, to some degree - well, you've got to take the rough with the smooth, I'm afraid.
And if I had a good income I might very well be tempted to buy a place in Brixton myself.
articletwo said:
You talk as if it's a historical cycle of rich to poor to rich, with the implication that at some stage in the future, Brixton will become poor again.
I'm willing to bet though, that you can't point to ANY London area (inside zone 3, at least) that has become MORE affordable to those on low to ordinary incomes, within the last 25 years.
Donna Ferentes
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