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I've Had Enough Of The DWP!

Yeah, after all everyone who works for the DWP is a cunt.... :rolleyes:

You're so binary - either decent or cunt and nothing in between :rolleyes:

You know what? Once upon what feels like another lifetime, I believed that all people working for the DWP (or the equivalent at that time) were honest decent people, who did their jobs as best they could and from whom I had nothing to fear. I learnt otherwise. The hard way. More than a few times.
 
AFAIK it should be weeks, rather than months, but the ways things are now it could be anyone's guess.
 
AFAIK it should be weeks, rather than months, but the ways things are now it could be anyone's guess.

Well, I'll be giving them a call tomorrow anyway to see if they've still not made a decision (or perhaps actually made one, which would make a nice change) so I'll ask when I can expect things to be fully sorted out.
 
There is already a Special Payments Unit that deals with compensation/special payments especially if charges/difficulties are incurred as a result of DWP maladministration/mistakes/actions that contravene DWP regs.

How well does it work?

The Graun article recently on snitching had a woman who lost her home and university place because her exes new squeeze got jealous and told them he had moved back in. Months if no money, lost it all, finally won, no restitution.

There's no (human) reason not to make it automatic with significant penalty to deter fucking people for no good reason. I realise there are political reasons, but not ones that would prevent ys demanding something better.

Good time to get this a media splash too.

Agree on the unnecessary slur on DWP workers, btw, Fuckwitted to discourage decent people from working there.

Soz Greebo. Fan of yours, but cheap shot is counter-productive.
 
Okay, slight rephrasing - IME just because somebody sounds nice and helpful (over the phone or in person) it doesn't mean they're nice and helpful.

There are probably decent well-meaning people doing every job under the sun. I'm prepared to believe that some (maybe even "many", given the size of the organisation) of those decent well-meaning people work for the DWP.

However, given the bad experiences of people I know (not just me, not just in one year, and not just in one area), I struggle to get my head around the concept. Apologies to those of you who are that decent person doing that job as well as you can.
 
The frontline staff are not responsible for the policies being implemented. I've had nothing but courtesy from most of those I see at my local JC+ and those I've called. There's one at my JC+ who makes attempts at intimidation, but, she's a short arsed twat who's hardly on the desks now. Since I'm well known to those at the call centre they are ever so helpful and I have had many apologies for delays or error. I'm also learning all the ways through the beaurocracy.. Thanks to them.

I had to go back and sign on three weeks ago and the frontline staff were surprised to see me there. Jobsearches are cursory as there are no jobs advertised I could do and they know it.

Blame the managers with targets..
 
...target which are not, unfortunately, painted on their backs or the middle of their foreheads.

True VP..It's us "scroungers" who wear the targets. I'm an M.S. and F.M. Scrounger. Two illnesses that employers are going to love having to put up with.. I couldn't write my signature on Monday... pffffffff..
 
I'll also be filing an FOI request so I can look at al the relevent documentation and correspondence in case I have to go to a tribunal or the courts. Hopefully that won't be necessary.
 
I personally could give a fuck if they are well meaning the old adage the road to hell is paved with good intentions springs to mind.

The bottom line is whoever speaks to people on the phone isn't going to be the ones making the clerical decisions, the reality is you and I will never ever get to speak to these people let alone have a face to face meeting with them. Moreover, they will never see the lives of the people they make arbitrary and usually incorrect judgments on. It's not that the believe everyone is on the take in fact they know full well that this is likely to be utterly unrepresentative of the majority of legitimate claims they'll be turning down but like every other aspect of govt which has been run on a 'profit motive' basis since the last tory govt in the 80's there will be targets they have to hit and so when it comes to it they are merely managing books not real people. Their decisions aren't based on the humanity of the situation they are based on pure maths.

the reality of this is that until we accept health education and welfare cannot be run on any profit motive and that the systems in place aren't fit for purpose nothing will get changed.

and if you work for the dwp, that doesn't make you a bad person but a little integrity in admitting that the system you work in has none would go a long way.
 
Dare I ask how long an appeal will take to be heard?

Too long, some appeals, especially those against failing the PCA test for Incapacity Benefit can take months. Part of the problem is the understaffing part is the lack of training and joke of an internal system they've created.
However things have got worse with the introduction of ESA and the 'Work Capability Assessments). There has been a high number of people 'failing' (ie being found fit for work) these tests and are appealing. The numbers who-imho rightly-are appealing has rockedted as have the numbners and % who win that appeal. As such there is a massive backlog of WCA appeals. Recently a former TU rep in my office was 'seconded' to the Appeals Service to help deal with this backlog-not a resouce issue mainly imho but a direct result of the ongoing failure of ESA-to help with their backlog. What they have introduced is a 'super reconsideration' (something that has no actual legislative basis, indeed arguably no actual basis in law) where instead of an appeal they give the claimant another reconsideration and invariably the claimant is dalt with before it goes to appeal.
The Harrington Review, hailed as a great move, has only been brought in because ESA, especially the new WCA tests, is a disaster not waiting to happen but a disaster happening as we speak....
 
Too long, some appeals, especially those against failing the PCA test for Incapacity Benefit can take months. Part of the problem is the understaffing part is the lack of training and joke of an internal system they've created.
However things have got worse with the introduction of ESA and the 'Work Capability Assessments). There has been a high number of people 'failing' (ie being found fit for work) these tests and are appealing. The numbers who-imho rightly-are appealing has rockedted as have the numbners and % who win that appeal. As such there is a massive backlog of WCA appeals. Recently a former TU rep in my office was 'seconded' to the Appeals Service to help deal with this backlog-not a resouce issue mainly imho but a direct result of the ongoing failure of ESA-to help with their backlog. What they have introduced is a 'super reconsideration' (something that has no actual legislative basis, indeed arguably no actual basis in law) where instead of an appeal they give the claimant another reconsideration and invariably the claimant is dalt with before it goes to appeal.
The Harrington Review, hailed as a great move, has only been brought in because ESA, especially the new WCA tests, is a disaster not waiting to happen but a disaster happening as we speak....

I'm being ambitious and appealing against the original decision from last November via a late, written appeal to have the November decision reversed and my original benefits reinstated and backdated. I don't know if that's likely to make any difference to how long an appeal will take to be held, but as I'm currently on DLA instead of ESA I'm wondering if that would make a difference at all.
 
I personally could give a fuck if they are well meaning the old adage the road to hell is paved with good intentions springs to mind.

The bottom line is whoever speaks to people on the phone isn't going to be the ones making the clerical decisions

Depends on which decision you want making actually because some of the first contact people you speak to DO make those clerical changes that you refer to.

the reality is you and I will never ever get to speak to these people

Factually incorrect, I work in Income Support, I speak to claimants, the exact claimats who phone the Contact Centres' every single day, to find out the best way of paying them if their payment is due that day, get extra info off them if we need it or to arrange for them to go into a JCP office to hand over info, get more info or get a counter giro whuch they are due. ...

let alone have a face to face meeting with them.

The centralisation of benefit processing has been a massively retrograde step and stpops claimants having a proper relationship with the Adjudication Officer, which in turn means the AO doesn't get to know about the claimants in their box split and doesn't form a relationship that makes life and the claiming of benefits easier for the staff member and tha claimant.

Moreover, they will never see the lives of the people they make arbitrary

Decisions aren't arbitrary, they are based on Social Security legislation and JCP/DWP regulations. That the legislation maybe bad, harmful and downright outrageous is entirely true, but it's not acted on in the 'arbitrary' manner you so wildly claim.

and usually incorrect judgments on.

You are claiming the decisions are usually wrong, as such the majority of decisions DWP staff make are wrong. Have you evidence for this claim? Or are you referring to a specific decision as regards a specific benefit?! Which is it?

It's not that the believe everyone is on the take in fact they know full well that this is likely to be utterly unrepresentative of the majority of legitimate claims they'll be turning down but like every other aspect of govt which has been run on a 'profit motive' basis since the last tory govt in the 80's there will be targets they have to hit and so when it comes to it they are merely managing books not real people. Their decisions aren't based on the humanity of the situation they are based on pure maths.

Staff in JCP offices complained and whistleblew and attacked DWP targets to demand that individual Personal Advisers sanction JSA claimants for failing to live up to their side of tha bargain :rolleyes: it was a DWP staff member who blew the gaffe and PCS who provided the evidence to various news outlets.

the reality of this is that until we accept health education and welfare cannot be run on any profit motive and that the systems in place aren't fit for purpose nothing will get changed.

and if you work for the dwp, that doesn't make you a bad person but a little integrity in admitting that the system you work in has none would go a long way.

Why do I need to admit anything, why does any DWP worker need to admit anything? We will be on strike soon, partly over attacks on out conditions, partly against the attacks on the public sector and ALWAYS with a mind to the fact that we know the people we deal with day and daily are some of the most vulnerable and poorest in our society, a better properly funded DWP makes for a better funded welfare system that is more humane to it's claimants and more focussed on lifting people out of poverty rather than harrassing them off benefits.
 
I'm being ambitious and appealing against the original decision from last November via a late, written appeal to have the November decision reversed and my original benefits reinstated and backdated. I don't know if that's likely to make any difference to how long an appeal will take to be held, but as I'm currently on DLA instead of ESA I'm wondering if that would make a difference at all.

What decision are you appealing? What benefit were you on back in November?
 
What decision are you appealing? What benefit were you on back in November?

I was on lower rate mobility and middle rate care until I submitted my renewal in November last year. They took only ten days to cut me down to lower rate care and mobility. I asked if I could appeal in March as I was too unwell to tackle the problem before then and was told I couldn't appeal but would have to ask for a review on grounds of a change of circumstances. It wasn't mentioned, at all, in March that I could make a late, written appeal which went in the post yesterday as I was waiting on a supportive letter from my psychiatrist which still hasn't arrived.
 
I was on lower rate mobility and middle rate care until I submitted my renewal in November last year. They took only ten days to cut me down to lower rate care and mobility. I asked if I could appeal in March as I was too unwell to tackle the problem before then and was told I couldn't appeal but would have to ask for a review on grounds of a change of circumstances. It wasn't mentioned, at all, in March that I could make a late, written appeal which went in the post yesterday as I was waiting on a supportive letter from my psychiatrist which still hasn't arrived.


Aaah right, that's DLA fella, I know very little about that BUT the appeal is usually quicker within DLA than it is over PCA/WCA appeals. If you were claiming Income Support I take it you then lost out on Severe Disability Premium aswell then?
 
Aaah right, that's DLA fella, I know very little about that BUT the appeal is usually quicker within DLA than it is over PCA/WCA appeals. If you were claiming Income Support take it you then lost out on Severe Disability Premium aswell then?

Yes, I lost about 330 pounds a months of my benefits in November so I only get about 550 pounds a month now. It could be worse, I know, there are people a lot worse off than me, but I still have all the same outgoings that I had in November and about 330 pounds a month less cash to meet them with.
 
Yes, I lost about 330 pounds a months of my benefits in November so I only get about 550 pounds a month now. It could be worse, I know, there are people a lot worse off than me, but I still have all the same outgoings that I had in November and about 330 pounds a month less cash to meet them with.

If you win your appeal you get all that money backdated to the date of decision, easy to say but if you win you get it back....
 
If you win your appeal you get all that money backdated to the date of decision, easy to say but if you win you get it back....

That's what I'm hoping for. Then I could pay bills and loans and various debts that have built up since November and get on with my life again. Since November life's been pretty difficult as I'm constantly worrying about money/bills/debts that are building up and the ongoing strife with the DWP has been a serious blight on my life. My MP said to get in touch again if I haven't recieved a decision by 10/06/11 so I'm going to compose another email in case they haven't got a decision for me when I call them first thing tomorrow morning.
 
That's what I'm hoping for. Then I could pay bills and loans and various debts that have built up since November and get on with my life again. Since November life's been pretty difficult as I'm constantly worrying about money/bills/debts that are building up and the ongoing strife with the DWP has been a serious blight on my life. My MP said to get in touch again if I haven't recieved a decision by 10/06/11 so I'm going to compose another email in case they haven't got a decision for me when I call them first thing tomorrow morning.

Good luck, hope it goes well.
 
Good luck, hope it goes well.

Thanks. I'm hoping it will be resolved by the end of next week as when I rang them on Wednesday they told me they're up to dealing with reviews from 14/03/11 and they received my request for a review on 21/03/11. If they haven't got a decision for me tomorrow morning I'll still email my MP again though just to push things along a little.
 
Thanks. I'm hoping it will be resolved by the end of next week as when I rang them on Wednesday they told me they're up to dealing with reviews from 14/03/11 and they received my request for a review on 21/03/11. If they haven't got a decision for me tomorrow morning I'll still email my MP again though just to push things along a little.

ALWAYS keep phoning.... weekly if needs be.
 
Rang them again today. Still no decision so as my MP's caseworker said to ask her to chase it up if I hadn't had a decision by today, another little email has winged its way in her direction.

Sod's Law, of course, says that they'll decide to try and force me onto ESA, but I also have an appeal filed against the original decision from November 2010 so I'll live in hope of a positive outcome.

E2A: Another email has just gone off to John Domokos at the Guardian as he asked me to keep in otuch and provide further information.
 
Now this is just downright odd.

Got a letter from their Belfast office this morning, dated yesterday, saying that my case is taking longer than usual because they've requested a report from my consultant. This is good because I know my consultant will be supportive (he's an excellent shrink) and at least it means that they seem to have started work on my case. It's also odd as, for the last 8 or 9 weeks now, whenever I've called them they've said that they weren't waiting for anything from any doctor or consultant.

Strange.
 
Right hand, left hand... you tend to find a lack of coordination in large organisations. It might feel deliberately harmful, but it's probably more cock-up than conspiracy. :hmm:

Even so, keep on with the chasing up etc - it might well be that the decision to contact your consultant was only taken on the day that letter was printed (and not before). Possibly by somebody who hasn't seen any of your claim before now and doesn't want to make a decision without getting all the available and relevant information first.
 
Right hand, left hand... you tend to find a lack of coordination in large organisations. It might feel deliberately harmful, but it's probably more cock-up than conspiracy. :hmm:

Even so, keep on with the chasing up etc - it might well be that the decision to contact your consultant was only taken on the day that letter was printed (and not before). Possibly by somebody who hasn't seen any of your claim before now and doesn't want to make a decision without getting all the available and relevant information first.

That's pretty much what I was thinking. If 'it's still with the decision maker' actually meant 'we haven't actually begun looking at it yet' then that would readily explain their only asking for a consultant's report now. And to be fair to the DWP, they won't have any control over how long it'll take for my consultant to get back to them with a report (although I know he'll do his best and it'll be a supportive one that strengthens my case considerable). Plus the letter did come from Belfast instead of the main office in Blackpool and, IIRC, decisions are reviewed by someone who has no prior connection with the case at hand.

I just thought it was a little odd, but I won't allow myself to become paranoid about it as that would be singularly non-productive. I'll keep chasing them up as, the sooner I get my decision, the sooner I can start trying to get my life back on track.
 
Had an email from my MP's caseworker today saying that they've managed to prod the decision makers into putting my case on top of the pile (which would explain the letter on Saturday). Rang the DWP today to check on progress and apparently it will be handled quickly once the consultant's report arrives with the decision maker. I'm not geared up in full expectation of a positive outcome as pride usually comes before a fall, but at last I know that things are finally moving forward and if my request for a review of the decision doesn't go in my favour then I still have the appeal and a tribunal as a last resort.
 
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