Is the Range Rover Sport the apex in arsehole wheels ?

[beesonthewhatnow]

classic cars really do break down every other trip - i watch antiques road trip and they usually have to change cars after a couple of days

can you post a reliability study? for some reason i am curious

Driver Power survey reveals most and least reliable car brands

Subaru tops the charts for the most reliable cars on sale - but which brands are at the bottom? The Auto Express Driver Power owner satisfaction survey tells all

www.carwow.co.uk

 

[Chz]

classic cars really do break down every other trip - i watch antiques road trip and they usually have to change cars after a couple of days

can you post a reliability study? for some reason i am curious

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say classics are more reliable. It was two separate statements about MB's quality control and what you can spend a fortune on and not look quite so wanky.

I know full well that today's least reliable cars would top the charts back in the 70s.

 

[T & P]

Driver Power survey reveals most and least reliable car brands

Subaru tops the charts for the most reliable cars on sale - but which brands are at the bottom? The Auto Express Driver Power owner satisfaction survey tells all

www.carwow.co.uk

I wonder what the reliability score percentage is meant to measure. If a particular car brand is 71% reliable, what does that mean? That 71% of new cars of said brand do not have a mechanical problem during the lifetime of the car warranty, perhaps?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The absolute richest person I deal with ($10bn according to Forbes) doesn't drive. His driver/chief bodyguard has an armoured RS6.

But rich doesn't = posh.

 

[Dogsauce]

The wealthy people at my school growing up in the 80s (though not very wealthy in the grand scheme of things - no millionaires) usually drove Volvo estates, that seemed to be what the upper middle classes went for, all about safety and comfort. I guess Audi probably fills that niche now, and not one of the showy ones. Something big enough to keep the labs or lurchers in the back.

Round here (posh but liberal bit of Bristol, like Hampstead) all the people who were driving big vulgar Porsche SUVs last year are in Teslas now.

 

[kebabking]

Yup, it's Audi's, Ovlovs, Skoda's, and Mitsubishi, Nissan, Landy and Toyota working waggons for the posh out here in the sticks.

Range Rovers for the parvenu....

 

[T & P]

Yup, it's Audi's, Ovlovs, Skoda's, and Mitsubishi, Nissan, Landy and Toyota working waggons for the posh out here in the sticks.

Range Rovers for the parvenu....

Only a couple of decades ago, anyone who used the words 'Skoda' and 'posh' in the same sentence would have been laughed out of the room. How times change...

 

[dessiato]

Only a couple of decades ago, anyone who used the words 'Skoda' and 'posh' in the same sentence would have been laughed out of the room. How times change...

A friend of mine had his 4 year old Skoda's gearbox fail, £4k bill. But done for £250 under the warranty. Even so, 4 years old gearbox...

 

[kebabking]

I had a turbo go on a Skoda at 12k - which destroyed the engine - but every manufacturer has cars that implode, what matters it's the proportion of cars, and what their attitude is when it happens.

I'd bought it from a main dealer, had it 6 weeks or so and put 5k on it - they simply gave me a full refund.

I've bought another one and it's been excellent.

 

[dessiato]

I had a turbo go on a Skoda at 12k - which destroyed the engine - but every manufacturer has cars that implode, what matters it's the proportion of cars, and what their attitude is when it happens.

I'd bought it from a main dealer, had it 6 weeks or so and put 5k on it - they simply gave me a full refund.

I've bought another one and it's been excellent.

The more I hear about Skoda and their customer care, the more I like them.

One of my sisters had a Fabia for ten years, or maybe a bit more, from new, average mileage, regularly serviced, passed every MoT without problems.

 

[rubbershoes]

What do actual posh people drive thesedays? Rollers, Bentleys etc. are just driven by ghastly types like footballers, landlords and internet twats and are styled to suit their (lack of) taste. What car/badge has managed to retain a bit of class and distance from this shitfest?

The Duke of Somerset had a Skoda Yeti a few years ago. It's got a decent boot size and is fairly economical to run. Drives like a brick and is very plasticky inside

 

[Chilli.s]

Drives like a brick and is very plasticky inside

And it looks ugly too

 

[kebabking]

And it looks ugly too

Fing is, how much time do you spend looking at the outside of your car?

There are better looking cars than mine (Skoda Octavia estate) - the Mazda 6 estate for example - but I don't spend much time looking at my car, so it kind of doesn't matter.

 

[kabbes]

I got a Yeti in 2011 and it’s still going strong. It’s been a van by removing its rear seats. It’s gone through the roughest of mountain terrain on holiday. It’s been comfortable on miles and miles of motorways. It’s had good if unspectacular economy. It’s never given me a single moment of trouble.

Yes, it has never been a good looking car but I had an absolutely beautiful Pininferina-designed Fiat Coupe before the Yeti and I can tell you this — it is no contest in terms of which one I have preferred owning.

 

[dessiato]

I like a good looking car, but there's more important things than just the looks. For me these are speed, handling, comfort, and enjoyability which really depends entirely on personal interpretation.

The longest I've ever owned a car is this Astra cabby. I got it to get me to Spain, to run around in before moving it on. Instead, 10 years on, I still like it. It's not fast, handles OK, the looks are conservative. But it does everything I want it to do. Today it passed its ITV again with no problems. I think this is the 4th or 5th without issues. In ten years its only failed maybe twice.

 

[hash tag]

I find it hard to believe some Skoda's have a turbo. They are hardly the choice of a petrol head

 

[kabbes]

I find it hard to believe some Skoda's have a turbo. They are hardly the choice of a petrol head

My Yeti has a turbo. It doesn’t make it a car for boy racers. It just means that it can accelerate to speed comfortably on a motorway. It’s a diesel and I understand that it’s pretty common to fit a diesel engine with a turbo to overcome its limitations

 

[dessiato]

I find it hard to believe some Skoda's have a turbo. They are hardly the choice of a petrol head

That's their attraction. The vRS versions are quite quick. Maybe not a boy racer car, but for people like, people who value performance above name, they're a great choice.

 

[kebabking]

I find it hard to believe some Skoda's have a turbo. They are hardly the choice of a petrol head

Dude, every diesel car built in the last 30 years has a turbo. Most petrol cars have a turbo....

 

[hash tag]

I have barely driven a diesel yet alone owned one and do not aspire to.

 

[kebabking]

That's their attraction. The vRS versions are quite quick. Maybe not a boy racer car, but for people like, people who value performance above name, they're a great choice.

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I've got one.

Goes like shit off a shovel. Worcester to Andover in, well, rather less time than Google thinks it should take....

 

[kebabking]

I have barely driven a diesel yet alone owned one and do not aspire to.

You've no idea what you're missing...

 

[dessiato]

I have barely driven a diesel yet alone owned one and do not aspire to.

Modern diesels are a totally different animal what they were even 10 years ago. They're more fun, and more, well, drivable.

 

[hash tag]

One of our previous work cars was a VW diesel. Nope, really not for me. I remember now doing the full road test thing with a large 5 series diesel ....really noisy engine.

 

[T & P]

Environmental and costs considerations aside, I would certainly choose a manual diesel over an automatic petrol any day of the week, certainly for as a short term period such as a holiday rental.

 

[T & P]

Modern diesels are a totally different animal what they were even 10 years ago. They're more fun, and more, well, drivable.

And nowhere near as noisy or polluting as the diesels of yesteryear, if of course still performing worse in those categories than a petrol counterpart.

 

[kebabking]

It's different pollutions, init...

Diesels pump out less CO2 than petrols, but more of the nasties that kill people.

Try are far more efficient - so if I drive to see my eldest at uni in Glasgow (600 miles there and back) I'll use about 50 litres of diesel. If I take Mrs K's petrol, driving the same route at the same time, and at the same speed I'd use about 75 litres.

That extra 25 litres has to be pumped out of the ground, refined, transported, stored - All using more energy.

 

[T & P]

To be fair diesels (for cars) have never made much financial sense to me in this country for anyone other than those doing genuinely massive mileages.

In the Continent, or certainly in Spain and a few other nations, diesel cars weren’t particularly more expensive to buy, and more importantly the cost of diesel fuel was cheaper than petrol, at least back in the day. But in this country if you buy a diesel car you need to cancel out higher both purchase prices and prices at the pump. For anyone doing less than 20k+ a year, surely it must take several years before you even break even?

 

[kebabking]

Oh absolutely - modern diesels produce fantastic driving performance and efficiency that few petrols will touch, but they cost more to buy, cost more to fuel, are more complex, and the hated DPF means that if they aren't used as diesels should be - long, fast driving - they'll cost thousands to repair.

They work for me because while I do the school run few times a week, I also do 45 and 85 mile each way commutes on the motorway and fast A roads several times a week, but if you don't do that kind of driving, then a post 2010(?) Diesel isn't for you.

There's a definite balance to be struck - I think it used to be 15k a year, but I'd say that figure has gone up, it's not just about the figure but the nature of the miles - a multi-drop driver might well do 30k+, but if they stop and start every mile then they'll probably wreck a diesel in no time.

 

[teuchter]

It's different pollutions, init...

Diesels pump out less CO2 than petrols, but more of the nasties that kill people.

Try are far more efficient - so if I drive to see my eldest at uni in Glasgow (600 miles there and back) I'll use about 50 litres of diesel. If I take Mrs K's petrol, driving the same route at the same time, and at the same speed I'd use about 75 litres.

That extra 25 litres has to be pumped out of the ground, refined, transported, stored - All using more energy.

So does the 50 litres your car uses. If you really cared, you'd get the train.