Is the ICC a sect?

[sovietpop]

pah northerners!

the north of england will be abolished following the initial stages of the succesful proletarian uprising. We shall build football stadia from Castleford to Kingston-upon Hull

that reminds me, the Sparts used to argue that Northern Ireland would be liberated by the bayonets of the Red Army (a Red Army coming from Ingerland. That, and the 'Cromwell was right' placards they used to hold, didn't go down so well).

 

[Top Dog]

that reminds me, the Sparts used to argue that Northern Ireland would be liberated by the bayonets of the Red Army (a Red Army coming from Ingerland. That, and the 'Cromwell was right' placards they used to hold, didn't go down so well).

hmmm or the army of the red hand perhaps?! i can see how it may not have been totally in tune with the realpolitik





...i nearly joined the sparts once... or was it the scouts?

 

[sovietpop]

a good friend of mine joined the sparts. twice. He has since apologised for introducing them to Ireland. The stories he tells.... now that's one group with a weird internal dynamic.

 

[rednblack]

...i nearly joined the sparts once...

hmm, will that one be kept quiet in the pub

 

[Top Dog]

hmm, will that one be kept quiet in the pub

they wouldnt have me coz i couldnt perfect my yankie accent

 

[Nigel Irritable]

a good friend of mine joined the sparts. twice. He has since apologised for introducing them to Ireland. The stories he tells.... now that's one group with a weird internal dynamic.

You talking about Tom here?

 

[sovietpop]

You talking about Tom here?

yip. you got him on the rebound.

 

[sipriano]

If you want to wind up the sparts, just ask the older more decrepit looking ones if they knew Arnie Mintz.

 

[Top Dog]

If you want to wind up the sparts, just ask the older more decrepit looking ones if they knew Arnie Mintz.

go on then...

 

[rednblack]

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8195/ICC.htm

 

[sipriano]

Arnie used to be in the sparts, in fact was one of the people who started it in the uk ? There was bad blood there when he left, cant remember why exactly. This was also made worse by him knocking around with a load of anarcho's during the wapping print strike, I think he may have had fantasies about bolshevising everyone, google his name, and a fair bit of stuff comes up. I have some fond ( and not so fond ) memories of him, but to his everlasting credit, he was responsible for the picket bulletin during the strike.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

yip. you got him on the rebound.

I thought it was mostly likely him, but there are a few recovering Sparts around the Irish left.

Wierd fact - the Irish Socialist Party has recruited two other former Sparts since him. I'm not sure that this says entirely good things about us.

 

[Random]

the only difference between ‘hierarchical’ Trotskyism and ‘libertarian community activism’ is that the former sows illusions in the capitalist state as a whole, while the latter seem to be the ideology of ginger groups who want to improve the functioning of local councils.

What have the ICC got against ginger people?

 

[younghegelian]

I have to admit I like the piss takes. I haven't read that article on community action groups, but did stop to have a wee read of their latest article on the IFICC: "in shamelessly declaring themselves to be following in his footsteps, they once again prove that they have revised their status as militants of the proletariat and joined the ranks of political parasitism."

What is this nonsense about parasitism? If you look at the ICC's article you can find little of substance. I will need to read the IFICC's article in full again, butI find it funny that the ICC talk of personalised attacks on THEIR militants, when it seems that it is in fact the IFICC members who have been attacked by the ICC in the first place. The ICC has even admitted, in it's paper, that it has swaggered round to people's houses, stealing their stuff, or 'reappropriating' it.

Anyway, about the term 'bondage', I wasn't talking about anything 'seedy' or anything like that, but as simply referring to ho the iCC seem to be rather close to one another geographically, and how they are rather close-knit. I don't really knowthem that well however. If you want a close-knit group, look at the Sparts.

A "Parasite" (well, when they get round to putting it in WR I will lt you all know).

 

[Chuck Wilson]

Hiya Chuck

Sorry I haven't replied, here is something towards it.

About the leftists, I did not know they even tried to sell their paper in the first place, not to teachers anyway. Don't you think people with University degrees would just get pissed off at the patronising languages. Christ, I first read it when I was 13, and I was pissed off at the language, and just went and read Marx myself (boring person here).

I don't know wy the SWP etc would tell their members to refuse to take part in organising school and community events such as these. The question of reform and revolution is difficult, but I think communists ought to struggle to build upon their standing in the community, as this is working towards building a base of support, and a level of agreement within the working class.

I think the nature of demands whic hwe place before our fellow workers does have to be tailored, to an extent anyway, to the situation. However, I think it would be STUPID to go so low as to call merely for the 'Spar shop to be looted' and a bit of the fence to be taken down. The lowest demand should be for things like occupation of factories, abstention from useless bourgeois elections, abolition of the wages system, things which are actually useful. Smash up the Spar shop and youll get smashed up as well by the police.

What is their policy on Class A drugs? Aren't the Wombles just a group who dance around at demonstrations? Could you send me a link about this pre-revolutionary stuff?

The ICCs member on this forum is wld_rvn. They sent me an email about libcom, and how good my contributions on the unions were on it, but now I am a parasite in theireyes, I don't think they will be writing to me again, except to remind me of how much of a parasite on the proletariat I am. HA HA HA!

I think there are few teachers in Workers Power, some students at teacher training college and a couple of former headboys and headgirls in their independent youth section Revo. I don't think they actually want to recruit anyone too academic, hence the language used in their paper, but are more keen on attracting teachers who want to be worker-ists.You know the sort who have bought their own house in West Hampstead but claim it is a rented one in Cricklewood and insist on buying booze cruise rolling tobacco and instant powdered coffee from Aldi.

Cockneyrebel, one of the more junior cadre of Workers Power ,(who has apparantly has been allowed back to post on here after a meeting with the CC but only on certain conditions) explained that the removal of the fence panel at G8 was symbolic. Personally I am not quite sure what their obsession is about Spar shops , I would have thought that global capitalism would have been a far better target but I suppose this generally indicates their lack of aspiration in their analyssis of the pre revolutionary situation in Britain. No doubt in Venezuela they have set their sights on something bigger , say , the Co-op or Tescos or the banks.



Workers Power seem to have a very liberal attitude to drugs , one of their members who was arrested for a drugs offence even posted up here for support and several of their leading members go to Glastonbury and 'stay up all night' according to cockney. I am not quite sure what they are up to at the moment , their latest paper call for a 'crackdown on youth' which sounds a bit druggy to me.

Monty Video is your man for the Wombles. Where I live there aren't any students so I am afraid I haven't come across any locally but they seem to be in to squatting empty buildings so that local people can come round and have a doss with them and try vegan food . Not my cup of tea personally.

Pre revolutionary situation link http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97621&referrerid=13090

Be seeing you.

 

[montevideo]

cheers chuck. You off? i'm gonna miss your bluff northern ways & lyrical flight of fancy.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

cheers chuck. You off? i'm gonna miss your bluff northern ways & lyrical flight of fancy.

No I am not off. In fact I 've just got back from me hols with a bruised/cracked rib cage from the youngest daughter elbowing me in a game of netball, a terrible fluey typecold which meant I had a temperature over 100 when the weather was a regular 35 degrees hot,and the eldest daughter with 37 stitches to her ear after my sisters Dalmation bit her ear . Quite a relaxing time really!