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Starry Wisdom
You are being somewhat bigoted, and you have no idea what a vanguard is.
Is John Lydon a twat?
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Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
The autobiography where he openly admits to sympathising with the far right movement in East London.
fuck Wobble!
Voley
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The 'Punk' documentary that's on Sky Arts atm got a good interview out of Lydon recently. Less theatrics than usual and better for it.
Good doc btw. Narrated by Iggy Pop. 1st episode was really good: pre Pistols. Stooges, MC5, NY Dolls etc. I just watched the 80s hardcore episode and that was very good too.
Good doc btw. Narrated by Iggy Pop. 1st episode was really good: pre Pistols. Stooges, MC5, NY Dolls etc. I just watched the 80s hardcore episode and that was very good too.
I've no access to Sky Arts -- very annoying 
But that interview linked to earlier upthread, in Loud & Quiet, was excellent -- really interesting read
But that interview linked to earlier upthread, in Loud & Quiet, was excellent -- really interesting read
Casual Observer
enough
The Lydon theatrics came in the press conference to launch the series. Be warned, he's thoroughly pissed.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Who'd have thought 30 something years on Lydon and Morrissey would become so divisive? It is disappointing when heroes and legends don't do/say what you'd wish them to. That said, I'd not be chucking out any albums just yet.
Steel Icarus
we move
I've always thought Lydon a boring bastard. Musically, politically, intellectually and personally inferior to Strummer
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I was a bit too young to appreciate punk at the time. It was a good few years later that I got into it and it was the Pistols and The Clash that rocked my boat. I became obsessed a bit, with Lydon, esp PiL and was buying the early albums, apart from Metal Box (the most crucial one). Strummer wore his politics on his sleeve, whereas Lydon was perhaps less focused, just seemed like a general disdain and rage at everything.
Ad homenim now
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Starry Wisdom
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I’ve always thought the opposite. Like Krtek my knowledge of the late 70’s is from documentary’s and books and from retrospectively listening to the music. Lyndon was transgressive, thrilling, unpredictable and genuinely crossed into mainstream consciousness. Strummer was blander although The Clash were better than the pistols. PiL however I love
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Must admit that I was more into BAD initially, than The Clash. NME did a great punk retrospective article back in '85 or '86 which fired up my imagination and made me seek out the classics of the era (or at least those that were available cheaply). At that stage in my life, it felt that punk was long gone but it'd only been a few years. Already the nostalgia was there - all the excitement and controversy over the Sid & Nancy film, for instance.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yes. When I first started going to gigs in the late 80’s you would still get a few ‘punks’ turning up. I remember going to see New Order at the Tower Ballroom and the crowd was a mix of football hooligans, students and punks. The punks looked like throwbacks to a bygone era by then.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
skyscraper101
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What an annoying arse he is throughout that discussion. Like some unfunny grandad who thinks he's funny and won't shut up and everybody tolerates just to keep the peace. I preferred him when he barely even answered questions, and I thought he was a tit then.
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Yeah, seeing BAD at the SFX in '85 or '86 - lots of punks calling for Clash songs. They got a cover of 1999, instead
badseed
Mighty but thin.
Not Lydon, one of his "entourage". He might be a lot of things but I don't think racist is one of them.
I wouldn’t call Lyndon a twat but he has always had an aura of obnoxiousness, even back in 77, approachable but sneering and possibly bogus. I recall Lyndon and my late acquaintance Ped, chopping their hair off with single edge razor blades to see who would look most rebellious.
That was funny at the time.
Strummer was more open and could drop good hints regarding books and films worth bothering with.
All seems a bit crap looking back sadly.
That was funny at the time.
Strummer was more open and could drop good hints regarding books and films worth bothering with.
All seems a bit crap looking back sadly.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I first saw him and the Sex Pistols on the now notorious Today Show interview in 1976. He made a huge impression on this shy and self-conscious teenager. I've had a soft spot for him ever since.
skyscraper101
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He's had his moments sure. Getting thrown out of a chat show hosted by Rosanne Barr was one of them.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Gf knew the Pistols from hanging out at the Speakeasy around 1976. She says Lydon was immensely shy and ill all the time, always with a handkerchief to cough into. She says Paul Cook was a nice guy and Steve Jones was a cunt.
Someone mentioned Jah Wobble earlier. Massive cunt. Too handy with his fists. I think he’s stopped drinking now (maybe) which was some of his problem. He admits he was a twat.
Someone mentioned Jah Wobble earlier. Massive cunt. Too handy with his fists. I think he’s stopped drinking now (maybe) which was some of his problem. He admits he was a twat.
Peter Tosh ' Legalise it (being Irish) '
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Starry Wisdom
you're quite happy accusing people of things (faux outrage ring any bells?) but the moment your own bigotry - insisting that neither morrissey nor lydon are irish - is pointed out it's ad hominem. pisspoor.
It was recieved as faux outrage, anyhow.
Ive not even mentioned John L Rottbollocks.
Mozz-bozz was born in Urmston, grey up in Miles Platting or somewhere close by. Last time I checked they were in England.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Got to be careful both ways with that, especially if you're throwing around words like bigotry.
Morrissey eh? Where are you from?
Manchester.
No, where are you really from?
Why dont we ask Mozzletoff what he classifies himself as? Besides being a bad racist OC
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Starry Wisdom
to my mind it's simple bigotry when someone from (say) an irish background says someone's not irish on the grounds they weren't born in ireland. nothing to do with where someone's from geographically.
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Starry Wisdom
perhaps his choice of passport might be suggestive Morrissey settles a few scores with his book, AutobiographyWhy dont we ask Mozzletoff what he classifies himself as? Besides being a bad racist OC
Okay.
I wont read it though cos I hate him.
Just take your word for it.
I wont read it though cos I hate him.
Just take your word for it.
editor
hiraethified
Everyone hates Lengel more. Oh wait, that's you! Off you pop, then.
