8ball
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Well, I personally think being homosexual is, if not innate, then related to an innate proclivity triggered by very early experiences (which is pretty close to what you are saying, I reckon), but plenty would disagree
Is Homosexual Identity Dependant on Homophobia ?
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Well, I personally think being homosexual is, if not innate, then related to an innate proclivity triggered by very early experiences (which is pretty close to what you are saying, I reckon), but plenty would disagree
Shippou-Sensei
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You don't know if they wore a fur suit under the armour
Shippou-Sensei
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I would clarify that I believe there is an inate biological aspect of being to homosexuality (going by the study of homosexual animals) . Experience will colour the expression of that self.
friendofdorothy
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When we were subclass, scum of the earth, unacceptable people that all non cis heterosexuals used to be in the last century no one wanted to sell us anything, we had to exist hidden or on the edges. Now we are just pink pound consumers, another market to be differentiated and exploited. Not sure which is worse.
When I was young I didn't even know we had a history. Now it my hobby to be walking, talking history. Our rights were hard won, and could be easily snatched away. As Derek Jarman said the lack of history was terrifying (or something to that effect)
8ball
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Pretty sure I saw him mid-donning armour once, and his dedication to the Star Wars universe was such that I suspect a cold snap would have led to the creation of a Snowtrooper uniform.
8ball
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Agree totally.
friendofdorothy
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Yes. When I marched and took part in demos it was for our rights and freedom. I wanted to end patriarchy. It wasn't to just to be the same as hetero herd .
Certainly there were and still are rich white gay men who never wanted to challenge the status quo, because they were doing ok and didn't want us uppity women and queers upsetting their comfy boats.
8ball
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I always suspected the logic behind Cameron’s accceptance of gay marriage was to make sure everyone was as miserable as the heteros.
friendofdorothy
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Nature / nurture debate has been going a long time.
I feel in many ways I chose a lesbian life when I was in my early 20s - but impossible to say in hind sight how much that was a rejection of men and patriarchy.
8ball
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When you say “chose”, do you mean you felt sexual attraction towards men and put that to one side?
friendofdorothy
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.He just wanted us to be good Tory citizens. Relationship rights yes , marriage .. Yuk.
8ball
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Indeed. It’s why I have so much respect for that awkward couple that pushed so hard for straight people to be able to have civil partnerships.
Broke the push toward a patriarchal marriage model without leading to a two-tier system of legal rights.
The media really went for them at the time as if they were making some silly pedantic point, but I think they did us all a service.
Shippou-Sensei
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If it were me I would guess it is near impossible to differentiate between internal desire and societal expectations.
With plenty of life experience and therapy you can nake a guess but no one is the person they were back then
I do not fucking understand teen shippy and I was him.
Shippou-Sensei
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Hetronormativity means it's a non zero percent of any decision
friendofdorothy
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Yes. But by 1982 that was mostly to men who wore lipstick (it was the height of post punk new wave). I desired women and preferred female company. Also so many men were just dicks even the ones in lipstick. I didn't mind a fling with men but couldn't imagine living with them, though maybe a lot of that was to do with societies expectations back then. Two men asked me to marry them. Wife? Hell no!
There was a group of women who described themselves as 'polical lesbians' who only slept with women because they rejected men. I soon learned to avoid them. They were no fun at all.
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8ball
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Not sure I understand this post. I think I biologically imprinted on women at an early age and societal expectations were secondary aside from influencing aesthetic preferences to a degree, as you’d reasonably expect.
8ball
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That’s quite interesting. I’ve met a few people who described themselves as “political lesbians”. I really enjoyed the company of one of them.
I think she had had some very bad experiences with men. She wrote some very funny and scathing folk songs.
friendofdorothy
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You have just got to watch any pre 1980 TV to see the levels of acceptable misogyny, sexism, homophobia and racism.
Shippou-Sensei
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I formed bonds from a young age but I'd not assume a sexuality to those bonds.
aesthetic preferences are a murky area
I used to assume I was straight but exposure to a lot of stuff that is more mixed lead me to realise a trend is not an absolute.
friendofdorothy
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Scathing folk songs weren't really on the list of what I was looking for.
8ball
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Get what you mean.
We probably only know a small bit of how the development of sexuality works.
There are plenty of more important priorities imo.
8ball
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I met her when I was looking for a bandmate for a folk band, so it was a priority at the time.
She wasn’t into the idea of teaming up with the enemy, though.
Shippou-Sensei
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You are 100% correct. And probably agree with me it goes further than this. Speaking from my experience I worry about my own thoughts
I remember comedians using the term
nignog (nig from you can guess and nog from wog)
I saw myself here on urban use the the T word as recently at the early 2010s (i thought myself safe enoughto use the term in a joking manner)
I worry about my internalised racism all the time
We are the past. It didn't go away.
We need to keep addressing it every day.
friendofdorothy
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Sorry I don't know how you identify. Where you that 'enemy'?
8ball
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I’m having to guess from 3 possibilities what the t word is.
Don’t mention if you’re not comfortable though.
8ball
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Yeah, think she was mid/late 20’s and I was in my early 20’s (young, straight, v innocent and accepting).
She was a junior doctor at the time. I hope everything worked out. She was quite down on men generally (can’t argue with that), but was a really lovely person and would have made a good doctor.
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tranny
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The insanely late winter 2013 Anime Season
Yeah I know it's practically the end of the winter season but late is better than never right? As usual i've not watched everything but here's my thoughts
www.urban75.net
I feel both horrified at how easily I used the term but also despondent about how the matter wasn't explored and how it still lingers.
Being someone who had all lot of experience with people who messed around with gender expression i probably never gave the term the weight it deserved as a slur.
I can only hope my actions now help rather than hinder
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8ball
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tranny
The post
The insanely late winter 2013 Anime Season
Yeah I know it's practically the end of the winter season but late is better than never right? As usual i've not watched everything but here's my thoughts
I feel both horrified at how easily I used the term but also despondent about how the matter wasn't explored and how it still lingers.
If you didn’t use the word with hatred it’s just a word imo. People more closely affected may obv differ.
I’m sure a lot of people used the word back in the day with no ill will.
A gay friend of mine strongly objects to the word “queer”, when so many younger folk seem to be reclaiming it. To him it was often the last word heard while being beaten unconscious.
Dennis Potter once said “the trouble with words is that we don’t always know whose mouths they have been in”.
Wise fellah.
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Shippou-Sensei
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That's the thing. Going from thoughtlessly using a term to being critical about all you say
It's just intresting how easy it was for me to disregard and other a whole group of people (Although yes it wasn't actually people just a comic rendition of tropes) without even trying
I worry who I'm doing that to now.
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8ball
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If we were discussing someone else I think you’d find it quite easy to forgive them for being a product of their culture to a large degree.
Trying to remain open to experience and learn as we go is the best any of us can do.
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