Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[sleaterkinney]

(fwiw though I don't even think it's true. I reckon May's deal - against remain - would have a very good chance of winning a referendum)

It's a hard sell though, no sunlit uplands, a brexit in name only, a backstop they can't get out of.

 

[Flavour]

Corbyn's shitting it from his own MPs is what it looks like.

 

[killer b]

It's a hard sell though, no sunlit uplands, a brexit in name only, a backstop they can't get out of.

yeah but it would be up against remain

 

[sleaterkinney]

yeah but it would be up against remain

Which got 48% remember, and now the actual deal for leaving will be known.

 

[bemused]

Corbyn's shitting it from his own MPs is what it looks like.

If anything is going to spark a new election, it'll be the Tories eat themselves over vote to delay Brexit and put a deal to a vote.

 

[SpackleFrog]

It's a hard sell though, no sunlit uplands, a brexit in name only, a backstop they can't get out of.

And it would still probably win against Remain.

It's not a problem, it's a solution.

Do you honestly believe that? What will it solve?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Which got 48% remember, and now the actual deal for leaving will be known.

And then what? So we stay in the EU through bureaucratic manouvre and then...? Does the story end there?

 

[agricola]

Corbyn's shitting it from his own MPs is what it looks like.

That is certainly how it will be advertised, though one does wonder whether the realisation that Corbyn would end up here is what sparked TIG's launch - after all, a large part of their argument against him is that he is pro-Brexit, or has betrayed the membership on Brexit. If he ends up getting a 2nd referendum, the already thin argument for them is that much thinner.

 

[SpackleFrog]

That is certainly how it will be advertised, though one does wonder whether the realisation that Corbyn would end up here is what sparked TIG's launch - after all, a large part of their argument against him is that he is pro-Brexit, or has betrayed the membership on Brexit. If he ends up getting a 2nd referendum, the already thin argument for them is that much thinner.

Think it's already been alluded to, but presumably today's announcement is the result of the threat of further resignations.

 

[butchersapron]

Just to remind people, if labour propose a second vote in parliament and it passes then the result of that second vote is non-binding.

 

[bemused]

How many more people are egible to vote than the last one?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Just to remind people, if labour propose a second vote in parliament and it passes then the result of that second vote is non-binding.

That would depend upon what the amendment said wouldn't it?

 

[butchersapron]

That would depend upon what the amendment said wouldn't it?

Nah. No British parliament can be bound by a referendum. No british parliament can be bound full stop.It was just a dig at the remainers who were arguing this guff as regards the result of the first vote then.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Do you honestly believe that? What will it solve?

There is no such thing as a good leave.

 

[butchersapron]

...and here's chris with the news. Hard hitting stuff this.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Nah. No British parliament can be bound by a referendum. No british parliament can be bound full stop.It was just a dig at the remainers who were arguing this guff as regards the result of the first vote then.

Yeah I argued with a local govt politician up here about this and it took me about half an hour to get him to state verbally the second vote would also be advisory

There is no such thing as a good leave.

Aye no one was ever not in the EU that lived to tell the tale

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

You’d never have thought this species invented the wheel sometimes

 

[SpackleFrog]

Nah. No British parliament can be bound by a referendum. No british parliament can be bound full stop.It was just a dig at the remainers who were arguing this guff as regards the result of the first vote then.

Sorry, should have got that. As you were.

 

[SpackleFrog]

There is no such thing as a good leave.

That's not what I asked is it?

What do you think will happen when they cancel Brexit?

It's not even as if we didn't know they were going to do it. We did. They were always going to cancel Brexit. But now Corbyn is helping them.

 

[ska invita]

I can. This (if it is the proposal from Kyle and Wilson) is the only way the Commons ever passes May's deal, without going down the route of running down the clock and voting for it instead of no deal. It also allows most MPs to say "we couldn't decide this, so its back to you" and thereby avoid responsibility.

If today's announcement is Kyle Wilson backing it might well pass, I agree.

But that option rules out a Labour Brexit... Kyle Wilson is a capitulation to Mays Deal

That isnt the tone of the Corbyn announcment I don't think.... It's much more about getting a Labour customs union thing to happen.... Lets wait and see I guess.

 

[butchersapron]

Odious thornberry palling with cuddly keir to put the pressure on tonight. Attempts to bounce Corbyn into agreeing that any referendum from their initiative would mean labour supporting remain.

It wasn't just May playing the long game. These posh vipers were not even that well hidden.

 

[bemused]

If it goes to a 2nd vote May should step down and hand it over to Boris .... then sit back with a mug of coco and laugh.

 

[SpackleFrog]

If today's announcement is Kyle Wilson backing it might well pass, I agree.

But that option rules out a Labour Brexit... Kyle Wilson is a capitulation to Mays Deal

That isnt the tone of the Corbyn announcment I don't think.... It's much more about getting a Labour customs union thing to happen.... Lets wait and see I guess.

You could be right. I hope you are. But it's poorly framed. 0/10 for communication skills.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Odious thornberry palling with cuddly keir to put the pressure on tonight. Attempts to bounce Corbyn into agreeing that any referendum from their initiative would mean labour supporting remain.

It wasn't just May playing the long game. These posh vipers were not even that well hidden.

Thornberry has been quite subtle to be fair. Did not see her announcing Labour would campaign for Remain on the same day.

 

[sleaterkinney]

That's not what I asked is it?

What do you think will happen when they cancel Brexit?

It's not even as if we didn't know they were going to do it. We did. They were always going to cancel Brexit. But now Corbyn is helping them.

What do you think would happen if it went ahead?. Some great political upheavel?. Do you want this Tory scheme to go through?

 

[butchersapron]

What do you think would happen if it went ahead?. Some great political upheavel?. Do you want this Tory scheme to go through?

Sometimes you need reminding that you support a tory remain. Here we go: you support a tory remain.

 

[Gerry1time]

If it goes to a 2nd vote May should step down and hand it over to Boris .... then sit back with a mug of coco and laugh.

She should have done that at the start. Something suddenly occured to me last night though. The looks on Johnson's and Gove's faces at the press conference the morning the result was announced were properly 'oh shit...', as they meant to gain personal capital from the campaign rather than win it. So wasn't it convenient that they mutually screwed up each other's leadership campaigns right at the start, forcing them both to withdraw and leave it to Theresa May? It's almost like they both had to be seen to stand, but didn't want to risk a second time of winning a campaign that would have made things worse for them.

 

[gentlegreen]

Two years of fucking the country (and Europe) on top of the rest of their evil shit.
We pay these cunts' salaries.

 

[gentlegreen]

How many more people are egible to vote than the last one?

Hopefully quite a few gammons have blown a fuse since then - and many more after the event.

 

[SpackleFrog]

What do you think would happen if it went ahead?. Some great political upheavel?. Do you want this Tory scheme to go through?

You know exactly what I think about May's deal. Why don't you answer the question put to you?