Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[andysays]

News this morning that 1400 'top lawyers', including Baroness Kennedy no less, are calling in an open letter for ANOTHER referendum on Brexit.

This comes after the previous open letter from 70 business leaders, who argue that their interests, whoops, I mean the NATIONAL interest, would be damaged by a hard Brexit and so the people must be given another chance to make the correct decision.

 

[Pickman's model]

Saint Tony Blair has waded in now.

I look forward to his misrable tears as the people's vote miserably fails.

The scales will fall from his eyes and his throwing his weight behind a hard brexit will lead to the result he desires

 

[Kaka Tim]

Saint Tony Blair has waded in now.

I look forward to his miserable tears as the people's vote miserably fails.

Blair has this phenomenal ability to not understand the words "FUCK OFF!"

 

[William of Walworth]

Saint Tony Blair has waded in now.

That story was in The Observer yesterday. He was arguing that Labour MPs should in no circumstances back any 'deal' May manages to bring back. That's more or less going to be Starmer's policy anyway, but I was quite surprised, I'd have guessed Blair would urge MPs to back some sort of deal in preference to no deal. He's telling Labour MPs not to back the Government. That's you told, Chukka

Far less surprisingly though, he also wants a second referendum.

 

[William of Walworth]

Blair has this phenomenal ability to not understand the words "FUCK OFF!"

To be clear though, I also completely agree with this comment!

Any intervention he makes is interference, and even remainers (if they have any sense) will see it as counterproductive.

 

[Kaka Tim]

That story was in The Observer yesterday. He was arguing that Labour MPs should in no circumstances back any 'deal' May manages to bring back. That's more or less going to be Starmer's policy anyway, but I was quite surprised, I'd have guessed Blair would urge MPs to back some sort of deal in preference to no deal. He's telling Labour MPs not to back the Government. That's you told, Chukka

Far less surprisingly though, he also wants a second referendum.

that cos the route to a second ref is through parliament rejecting may's deal. Has chuka indicated he would back the government? I think May is hoping to get some labour remainers to back her by making out its "this deal or crashing out" - but my understanding is that everyone knows this is bollocks.
Parliament will vote to suspend A50 before allowing a crash out - and nobody bar the most loony brexiteers will want them to do anything else.

 

[Pickman's model]

To clear though, I also completely agree with this comment!

Any intervention he makes is interference, and even remainers (if they have any sense) will see it as counterproductive.

I am writing to him to tell him the only way to achieve his goal is to campaign with might and main for a johnsonian brexit

 

[Yossarian]

"Anthony Lynton Blair back in the frontline of British politics imagining, I think, that he is as popular as he was back in 1997. He needs to get a proper reality check. He is not particularly popular and I, personally, don’t think he contributes anything to the Remain campaign at all.” When asked if he could give one key message to Mr Blair, he said: “Stay in retirement."

Tony Blair is so crap he's actually made me agree with things Nigel Farage is saying.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I can’t argue with that, at all. But it sounds hypothetical.

Is there any appetite?

(To be fair, there was little appetite to reject the leave verdict a few years ago. Stuff changes.)

Absolutely there is an appetite - that's what RMT, Aslef, Bakers Union, PCS, Socialist Party and others are trying to do. Even my own union UCU for the most part hasn't taken a position on Brexit itself but is taking a position on what happens after re migration, workers rights and education sector. What I'm saying is, are you gonna help us?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Tony Blair is so crap he's actually made me agree with things Nigel Farage is saying.

It's impressive isn't it?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Unfortunately, Blair is smarter and most astute than most of the present cabinet combined. He is still a detestable fucker though

 

[andysays]

that cos the route to a second ref is through parliament rejecting may's deal. Has chuka indicated he would back the government? I think May is hoping to get some labour remainers to back her by making out its "this deal or crashing out" - but my understanding is that everyone knows this is bollocks.
Parliament will vote to suspend A50 before allowing a crash out - and nobody bar the most loony brexiteers will want them to do anything else.

How do you think parliament voting to suspend A50 would go down with the 17 million plus who voted to Leave?

(Asking for a loony brexiteer friend)

 

[DotCommunist]

News this morning that 1400 'top lawyers', including Baroness Kennedy no less, are calling in an open letter for ANOTHER referendum on Brexit.

a peoples vote, as requested by people with peerages and mansions

 

[Ranbay]

How do you think parliament voting to suspend A50 would go down with the 17 million plus who voted to Leave?

(Asking for a loony brexiteer friend)

Cival War, AK47s etc,,... going by people on facecbook

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How do you think parliament voting to suspend A50 would go down with the 17 million plus who voted to Leave?

(Asking for a loony brexiteer friend)

I don't get it why people trot out this 17 million figure all the time. In a country with 65 million people in it, that's not really such an impressive figure. And did these 17 million (about a third of adults in Britain) all tick a box to say that they wanted brexit to happen whatever the consequences, and that they wanted this referendum's result to override all and any other democratic process or judgement in perpetuity? No, they didn't.

 

[andysays]

I don't get it...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

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So you don't really have an answer. You're just parrotting what you have been hearing from politicians on the telly, the front pages of the Mail and the Express and the Sun and the Times, constantly banging on about how angry 17 million people will be. As if that were some killer point. It's not. 16 million people expressed the opposite view and about another 17 million expressed no view at all. It's a really poor rhetorical device.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cival War, AK47s etc,,... going by people on facecbook

Hope springs eternal

 

[andysays]

So you don't really have an answer. You're just parrotting what you have been hearing from politicians on the telly, the front pages of the Mail and the Express and the Sun and the Times, constantly banging on about how angry 17 million people will be. As if that were some killer point. It's not. 16 million people expressed the opposite view and about another 17 million expressed no view at all. It's a really poor rhetorical device.

It was a genuine question, a question which you made no attempt to actually address.

You can have another go if you want though - what do you think would be the reaction if, after a hypothetical referendum in which there was a clear result, however close, which the government then pledged to honour, and followed a process which at least appeared to be intending to honour the result, parliament then voted at the eleventh hour to abandon that process?

 

[Pickman's model]

It was a question, a q

Never mind lbj, he likes his little froth

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

Torygraph now reporting that Raab might resign over Irish backdrop issue. Happy days....

 

[Ranbay]

At this rate, everyone will have a go at the job.

 

[Pickman's model]

At this rate, everyone will have a go at the job.

have you received the letter from theresa may offering you the post and a peerage, if you'll take the post?

 

[Ranbay]

have you received the letter from theresa may offering you the post and a peerage, if you'll take the post?

yes.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Torygraph now reporting that Raab might resign over Irish backdrop issue. Happy days....

Dominic Raab has denied speculation that he might resign in protest if there is no time limit or satisfactory exit clause on the Irish backstop.

Brexit latest: Dominic Raab insists he will not quit in Irish backstop battle - live updates

Published at 1.13pm.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[sleaterkinney]

How do you think parliament voting to suspend A50 would go down with the 17 million plus who voted to Leave?

(Asking for a loony brexiteer friend)

I'd say a grudging acceptance that it wasn't a good idea anyway before turning on the people that had sold it to them.

 

[Winot]

I'd say a grudging acceptance that it wasn't a good idea anyway before turning on the people that had sold it to them.

I doubt the anger will be reserved for the Brexiteers. There will be a continuation in anger with the political class generally, a continuation of cynicism about politics in general, and an increased propensity to vote (if they vote at all) for populists with easy answers.

 

[Kaka Tim]

How do you think parliament voting to suspend A50 would go down with the 17 million plus who voted to Leave?

(Asking for a loony brexiteer friend)

yes - its a good question. But i suspect that most people will accept that the UK crashing out from the EU on march 29th will be so damaging they will accept that it cant be allowed to happen - i cant see anyone other then the most loony brexiteers pushing for it.
Imagine a situation where the pound and the FTSE are tanking, pretty much every media outlet and senior person in business, politics, policy, the trade union movement, the entire public sector etc etc bar screaming "NO!", where every day big companies are talking about disinvesting and you have people panic buying food and fuel, plus people taking to the streets in huge numbers.
Rather than arguing "yes - lets jump!" most of the brexiteers will instead turn their fire on the government for fucking it up so comprehensively.
Of course there will be then lots of "stab in the back" narratives afterwards and attempt to re-write history - but that's probably dependant on what happens afterwards - 2nd ref (and whatever the result of that is) , general election with a another deal agreed etc

 

[Pickman's model]

Saint Tony Blair has waded in now.

I look forward to his misrable tears as the people's vote miserably fails.

those miserable tears will be as nothing to the deluge which will flood from his eyes when he discovers he will end his life toiling on the thatcher peninsula alongside nigel farage and boris de pfeffel johnson