Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[philosophical]

A 'decent' outcome would be the disregard of a democratic decision would it?

Well you call it a democratic decision, not the democratic decision. There may be other ones yet to come. Brexit was a form of democracy I suppose, but a crap one. In the UK democracy there may be other forces like 'democratically' elected members of Parliament to come in to play.
All that brexiteers need to do is make their victory happen, but they don't seem to know how.

 

[gosub]

Well you call it a democratic decision, not the democratic decision. There may be other ones yet to come. Brexit was a form of democracy I suppose, but a crap one. In the UK democracy there may be other forces like 'democratically' elected members of Parliament to come in to play.
All that brexiteers need to do is make their victory happen, but they don't seem to know how.

Brexit IS exposing how clueless our MP's are (and how shit our media is)... But that could only get worse as things got more hollowed out by EU membership.. An EU where an unreformed EUrozone will increasing call the shots (and would have done if the result had gone the other way.

Personally had banked on democratically elected members making it EFTA... Fuck knows what they think they doing now

 

[SpookyFrank]

A 'decent' outcome would be the disregard of a democratic decision would it?

Democratic decision. You've not been following the whole dark money/ psyops angle then?

 

[gosub]

Democratic decision. You've not been following the whole dark money/ psyops angle then?

Older people, in my experience don't base their political opinions on Facebook). And the dark money stuff... I'm appalled at the lack of scrutiny the remain camp got. Barak flying in wasn't cheap nor was Mr Cameron s pamphlet for starters

 

[redsquirrel]

Oh yes I sort of accidentally forgot the left / anarcho types also see the EU as the worst thing since Hitler.

Yeah, whereas LibDem pricks like you are wilfully blind to the concentration camps, the murderous economic policies. But how about you answer the questions, or are they a bit hard for you.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Older people, in my experience don't base their political opinions on Facebook). And the dark money stuff... I'm appalled at the lack of scrutiny the remain camp got. Barak flying in wasn't cheap nor was Mr Cameron s pamphlet for starters

Both sides cheating does not make it a fair fight.

 

[gentlegreen]

wilfully blind to the concentration camps

WTF ?

 

[gentlegreen]

And I voted for Corbyn last time - though it was dead easy with the vile crap the Tories infested Yotube with.

 

[redsquirrel]

WTF ?

The refugee camps set by various authoritarian regimes with the connivance of the EU, to maintain fortress Europe. As has been mentioned repeatedly on this thread and others.

 

[gentlegreen]

That's way too off the wall for someone my age ...

 

[redsquirrel]

As I said wilful blindness.

 

[teqniq]

That's way too off the wall for someone my age ...

What has age got to do with anything? The fact remains that it's true.

 

[gentlegreen]

I thought the USA called most of the tunes ?

 

[teqniq]

What? No the EU has entered in to questionable deals with countries such as Turkey and Libya which pretty much go along the lines (when you have removed the window-dressing) of 'You keep the refugees there and we'll turn a blind eye to your unsavoury activities'.

 

[Pickman's model]

What? No the EU has entered in to questionable deals with countries such as Turkey and Libya which pretty much go along the lines (when you have removed the window-dressing) of 'You keep the refugees there and we'll turn a blind eye to your unsavoury activities'.

Or in the case of Libya you keep the refugees or we'll smash your country into smaller bits of rubble

 

[gentlegreen]

So the EU isn't doing enough to change things ?
And how are things going to be better with a bunch of separate, smaller countries ? (which is I assume the intention)
Or, in the first instance just the UK outside of it with some fantasy government of a shade that doesn't exist ?

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought the USA called most of the tunes ?

Yeh the great satan has the best tunes

 

[teqniq]

Or in the case of Libya you keep the refugees or we'll smash your country into smaller bits of rubble

Yes. I wasn't being very precise with the earlier post what with Libya not actually having a functioning government.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. I wasn't being very precise with the earlier post what with Libya not actually having a functioning government.

Or rather several functioning governments. Like in fistful of dollars, the rojos at that end and the baxters at the other - the auld fool was right, there's money to be made in a town like this

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yeh the great satan has the best tunes

You are right General Booth.

 

[redsquirrel]

So the EU isn't doing enough to change things ?

Are you actually reading what people are posting. The EU isn't some sort of bystander, it's using these countries to advance it's own anti-immigration agenda.

And how are things going to be better with a bunch of separate, smaller countries ? (which is I assume the intention)
Or, in the first instance just the UK outside of it with some fantasy government of a shade that doesn't exist ?

The "intention" is irrelevant, whether you believe that the UK should have remained in the EU or not is irrelevant - the point is to not pretend this isn't happening.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It is beginning to look as if minds are finally focused.

There seems to be a bit of political stirring that suggests a realisation that yes, it is real, and if we don't do something sharpish, we are out.

I prophesy a parliamentary vote on the 'deal' being lost, and this being used as the basis for a second referendum.

 

[magneze]

What'd be the question?

 

[Sasaferrato]

What'd be the question?

'Are we really going to be so fucking stupid?'.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Looks like Davis and May's foolproof backstop customs plan has already been sent back covered in red ink with 'see me' at the bottom.

 

[SpookyFrank]

'Are we really going to be so fucking stupid?'.

Doesn't a referendum require a non-rhetorical question though?

 

[agricola]

Or rather several functioning governments. Like in fistful of dollars, the rojos at that end and the baxters at the other - the auld fool was right, there's money to be made in a town like this

Or as the samurai says in Yojimbo "I'll get paid for killing, and this town is full of people who deserve to die."

 

[toblerone3]

The refugee camps set by various authoritarian regimes with the connivance of the EU, to maintain fortress Europe. As has been mentioned repeatedly on this thread and others.

What utter twaddle! As if to suggest that Britain outside Europe would be more generous in its treatment of refugees that EU countries. Almost certainly the reverse. Some would say that one of the core EU countries (Germany) has been more open to taking in refugees that Britain has been.

 

[alex_]

What utter twaddle! As if to suggest that Britain outside Europe would be more generous in its treatment of refugees that EU countries. Almost certain the reverse. Some would say that one of the core EU countries (Germany) has been more open to taking in refugees that Britain has been.

Indeed if the refugees were coming south from Iceland, we’d be behaving like the Bulgarians.

Alex

 

[redsquirrel]

What utter twaddle!

Are you claiming that the EU hasn't given money to Turkey, Libya, etc to set up camps?

As if to suggest that Britain outside Europe would be more generous in its treatment of refugees that EU countries.

Good job no one has made any such suggestion then.

Again, wilful blindness.