Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[teuchter]

What do you think about those links?

How do you feel about your contributions to this thread, as a body of work?

 

[philosophical]

Go for it chaps, play the man not the ball.

 

[kabbes]

Go for it chaps, play the man not the ball.

Asking you what you think of them IS playing the ball.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I have learned that it is out of order to post links here without a summary of some kind.
This first link is to a story about how the Irish Republic Guardai wanting not only extra police for the post brexit Irish border, but automatic weapons as well with armed response units equipped with such weapons.

Border gardaí seek automatic weapons amid hard Brexit fears

The second link is about how the police service of Northern Ireland want more money and up to 500 more officers to protect the border, and there is some interesting figures about the resources actually needed pre the Belfast Agreement. (yes I know it is a Guardian link and all that that implies for some people here).

Brexit: Northern Irish police ask for more funds to protect border

The third link is about how a high up in the Guarda is complaining that his government as yet has no plan in place for policing the Irish/UK post brexit border.

No plan in place for policing a hard border, warns Garda chief

There are some on this thread who may believe the concern about the Irish border post brexit is somehow shallow and a faux concern from some posters, but the links are demonstrating that the concerns are not a pose by a mouthy few, but more widespread, and dare I say, genuine.

Part of the mood music is that those voting brexit knew what they were voting for, but that music is played on the very down low when brexiters are invited to supply a workable solution to the Irish border issue.
Perhaps those voting brexit didn't have a clue, or that their attitude to the Irish situation was one of distain.

Filth wanting more money, guns and filth, shokka.

 

[philosophical]

Asking you what you think of them IS playing the ball.

I disagree.
I have posted the links to indicate that the issue is still bubbling away. Asking me what I think of them is irrelevant.

 

[Supine]

I disagree.
I have posted the links to indicate that the issue is still bubbling away. Asking me what I think of them is irrelevant.

Still banging on about the same thing I see

 

[philosophical]

Still banging on about the same thing I see

20 20 vision then.

 

[kabbes]

I disagree.
I have posted the links to indicate that the issue is still bubbling away. Asking me what I think of them is irrelevant.

Ok. Well then I have nothing to say about them either.

 

[The39thStep]

Oh dear, the founder of Renew, the Macronist party launched with a large fan fare ( but very few members in the Guardian), has just resigned.However Remainers can look forward to the tour of Left Against Brexit including speakers from Manuel Cortes, the general secretary of the transport union TSSA, Michael Chessum an ex student activist who quit Momentum, former shadow minister Catherine West, Caroline Lucas, Labour MEPs Seb Dance and Julie Ward, journalist Gary Younge, and economist Ann Petifor.

 

[Santino]

How do you feel about your contributions to this thread, as a body of work?

I think it stands up quite well as a body of work, although it's difficult to divorce it from the context in which many of the individual posts were written.

 

[gosub]

I disagree.
I have posted the links to indicate that the issue is still bubbling away. Asking me what I think of them is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant but I think you could get away with inconciquential

 

[philosophical]

It's not irrelevant but I think you could get away with inconciquential

Do you mean inconsequential?

 

[mather]

Oh dear, the founder of Renew, the Macronist party launched with a large fan fare ( but very few members in the Guardian), has just resigned.However Remainers can look forward to the tour of Left Against Brexit including speakers from Manuel Cortes, the general secretary of the transport union TSSA, Michael Chessum an ex student activist who quit Momentum, former shadow minister Catherine West, Caroline Lucas, Labour MEPs Seb Dance and Julie Ward, journalist Gary Younge, and economist Ann Petifor.

No thanks, I'll pass. Why is the British left so shit?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Slightly? It's a third more than the national living wage.

It isn’t though is it? Regardless of what the government says Ten quid an hour is about the living wage, though in private accommodation you would still be struggling. It would be entirely feasible for someone on that to still end up at a foodbank if it’s a bad month/depending where they live, kids etc. On the “national living wage” it must happen all the time.

 

[gosub]

Brexit preparedness

 

[sleaterkinney]

Tory doner and leave campaigner Crispin Odey, a hedge fund manager :

“We should say, ‘we’ve got to have life after this, so we’re creating that life. We are creating trade agreements which are in breach of everything, because we won’t be in breach by the time you come to take us to court’. That’s how Elizabeth I would have been leading with this.”

 

[gosub]

Tory doner and leave campaigner Crispin Odey, a hedge fund manager :

“We should say, ‘we’ve got to have life after this, so we’re creating that life. We are creating trade agreements which are in breach of everything, because we won’t be in breach by the time you come to take us to court’. That’s how Elizabeth I would have been leading with this.”

Nah she'd have lead with piracy... Not sure the modern equivalent of Spanish treasure gallions are though

 

[Raheem]

Tory doner and leave campaigner Crispin Odey, a hedge fund manager :

“We should say, ‘we’ve got to have life after this, so we’re creating that life. We are creating trade agreements which are in breach of everything, because we won’t be in breach by the time you come to take us to court’. That’s how Elizabeth I would have been leading with this.”

I'm pretty sure he's right that the reason the government is not able to negotiate amazing trade deals is that it is too frightened of being taken to court for being in breach of something or other.

 

[sleaterkinney]

 

[Winot]

And also farmers:

Farmers worried over 'lack of detail' in post-Brexit plans

The Tories are losing the confidence of their natural constituency. It’s going to be crunch time soon.

 

[kabbes]

The farmers were one of the biggest pro-Brexit blocs. What exactly were they expecting to happen, I wonder?

 

[isvicthere?]

I'm hoping for a lengthy period of CRAP, a Customs and Regulatory Alignment Protocol, which kicks brexit into the long grass and keeps the UK in the EU to all intents and purposes, if not in name.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm hoping for a lengthy period of CRAP, a Customs and Regulatory Alignment Protocol which kicks brexit into the long grass and keeps the UK in the EU to all intents and purposes, if not in name.

yeh not in name and without representation in the european parliament or council of ministers etc.

 

[Winot]

The farmers were one of the biggest pro-Brexit blocs. What exactly were they expecting to happen, I wonder?

They were basically bought off with the promise of funding to match EU subsidies. Doesn’t sound like that’s enough.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm hoping for a lengthy period of CRAP, a Customs and Regulatory Alignment Protocol which kicks brexit into the long grass and keeps the UK in the EU to all intents and purposes, if not in name.

further to my previous reply, you can rely on a long period of crap in the future whatever happens.

 

[Winot]

Oh and the Dutch government have told their carmakers not to include British parts in their cars after Brexit. The boss of Unipart isn’t happy.

 

[Kaka Tim]

still think its a process of the government going through the motions trying to find the political space to call the whole thing off. absolutely nothing has been resolved in two years - they are paralysed by the political impossibility of the delivering the referendum result. Its just a case of waiting for the inevitable crunch.

 

[Pickman's model]

still think its a process of the government going through the motions trying to find the political space to call the whole thing off. absolutely nothing has been resolved in two years - they are paralysed by the political impossibility of the delivering the referendum result. Its just a case of waiting for the inevitable crunch.

yeh but that's more likely to be a crash out than a remain within because of the previously unheard of degree of buffoonery of the may administration.

 

[Badgers]

A government that damages the country just so they don't lose face?

 

[Pickman's model]

A government that damages the country just so they don't lose face?

they've damaged the country with less reason