Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Pickman's model]

Are you referring to the horse question?
If you are the answer is that I have not been kicked in the head by a horse.

Not yet anyway

 

[philosophical]

Not yet anyway

Do you anticipate that it will happen?
I would say that it is very unlikely, I don't tend to hang around horses, and I regard the horse/human interaction as an example of animal cruelty.

 

[DotCommunist]

Are you referring to the horse question?
If you are the answer is that I have not been kicked in the head by a horse.

nope

Yet you 'evidence free' suggest that I am a paedophile by asking me if i were. Nothing to do with brexit or this debate, nothing to do with the 'logic' of this debate, nothing to do with being polite.

here, the question was insinuating so you say. It suggested. And yet your laden questions are supposed to be taken as arid, not loaded, not suggesting bias- in no way offensive because you are simply asking questions. Yet when you are asked questions, they are suggesting?

nice try

 

[SpookyFrank]

It was largely disregarded during the referendum debate, and for a fair time after it - only really when the EU made clear that the Irish had a veto on the issue did it really start to dawn on the UK brexit team that they needed to give it some serious attention.

There's also the DUP-tory match made in hell, which effectively prevents any kind of divergence between NI and GB.

But lets not pretend Ireland was the only thing nobody bothered to think about in advance. Zero homework was done by anyone, leavers remainers or deep-state lawful neutral types.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you anticipate that it will happen?
I would say that it is very unlikely, I don't tend to hang around horses, and I regard the horse/human interaction as an example of animal cruelty.

Yeh. Other whacks on the head are available.

 

[David Clapson]

Just thought I'd lob some Rees-Mogg factoids into this thread. He is the bookies favourite to be next PM, ahead of Corbyn. He has £100 million pounds. He bought a Bentley when he was 23. He's against abortion even in cases of incest and rape.

 

[philosophical]

nope


here, the question was insinuator so you say. It suggested. And yet your laden questions are supposed to be taken as arid, not loaded, not suggesting bias- in no way offensive because you are simply asking questions. Yet when you are asked questions, they are in no way suggesting?

nice try

I am trying to make sense of this post.
Admittedly it is a struggle.
If you are discussing the nature of questions and then read back, you may notice that my replies have been direct and straightforward however much the questions directed towards me may have been insinuating something else.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Just thought I'd lob some Rees-Mogg factoids into this thread. He is the bookies favourite to be next PM, ahead of Corbyn. He has £100 million pounds. He bought a Bentley when he was 23. He's against abortion even in cases of incest and rape.

Rees-Mogg has his own thread and in any case you'd struggle to find anyone around here who wasn't already aware he was a nasty and potentially very dangerous character.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I am not the hypocrite you appear to be.
What extended polite debate were you after when you enquired if I was a 'saville loving paedo'? What exactly was your 'point'.
I am prepared to defend what I write, are you?

The same polite debate you were after when you enquired if we were all ignorant racists.

I have black and asian mates that voted brexit, are they racists as well ?

Was voting leave an act of fear, or an act of love?

 

[philosophical]

Yeh. Other whacks on the head are available.

I live in Lewisham in South East London, if you are suggesting that you would like to come and see me and hit me over the head say so. Would it be too far for you to travel?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Just thought I'd lob some Rees-Mogg factoids into this thread. He is the bookies favourite to be next PM, ahead of Corbyn. He has £100 million pounds. He bought a Bentley when he was 23. He's against abortion even in cases of incest and rape.

JUST SCREEDS OF CONTEXTLESS FACTS

 

[philosophical]

The same polite debate you were after when you enquired if we were all ignorant racists.

Was voting leave an act of fear, or an act of love?

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In answer to your first point, my initial post was attention grabbing, but as I mentioned above it took a nanosecond for people to react to me in a negative way. if you wish to equate enquiries about racism with enquiries about child abuse then you are free to do so, but the difference is I am not here to tell others how to 'be' as it were, but others wish to tell me.
The holier than thou stuff some people on here have come out with simply doesn't work.

 

[SpookyFrank]

To be provocative I would suggest that brexiters voted for 310 miles of razor wire fencing, and British machine gun nests every twenty yards to 'regain control of the UK borders'. If my example is wrong, then what did brexit voters hope for when voting brexit to regain control of the land border?
At the moment no workable suggestion has been suggested, but you're are right is hasn't been disregarded because I suppose people like me bang on about it all the time.

My ballot paper was less specific than yours as regards the spacing of the gun nests but considering your standard modern machine gun commands a range of much more than twenty yards, and considering they would presumably be installed so as to give a 180 degree field of fire, I would suggest that you're proposing a somewhat over-engineered and over-manned solution to this problem.

I mean, you'd be looking at 27,280 gun nests. 27,281 actually, assuming you want one at either end of your fence. Then two men per nest, three shifts per day, that's over 163,000 soldiers needed to man the border. We could add in reserves and personnel at border crossing points but there's really no point when we've already got a number greater than the entire strength of the UK regular armed forces.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

In answer to your first point, my initial post was attention grabbing, but as I mentioned above it took a nanosecond for people to react to me in a negative way. if you wish to equate enquiries about racism with enquiries about child abuse then you are free to do so, but the difference is I am not here to tell others how to 'be' as it were, but others wish to tell me.
The holier than thou stuff some people on here have come out with simply doesn't work.

Have you ever accused someone of being racist right off the bat and had a positive reaction ?

 

[DotCommunist]

I am trying to make sense of this post.
Admittedly it is a struggle.
If you are discussing the nature of questions and then read back, you may notice that my replies have been direct and straightforward however much the questions directed towards me may have been insinuating something else.

tidied the post up so a re-read will make more sense

You take umbrage at a question- a question you now see insinuation in. You are offended by the question- deny all you like, you posted as much yourself. But your own questions, carrying far larger a load of assumptions, are to be taken as simple questions. Merely because you phrased them so? this is hypocrisy. In any case Butchersaprons question wasn't meant in seriousness at all but simply to point out that 'only asking a question' doesn't wash here. If you object to the saville question then others are free to read what they do into your innocent questions aren't they?

Thats what butchers was pointing out by asking you the saville question. A massive hypocrisy

 

[philosophical]

My ballot paper was less specific than yours as regards the spacing of the gun nests but considering your standard modern machine gun commands a range of much more than twenty yards, and considering they would presumably be installed so as to give a 180 degree field of fire, I would suggest that you're proposing a somewhat over-engineered and over-manned solution to this problem.

I mean, you'd be looking at 27,280 gun nests. 27,281 actually, assuming you want one at either end of your fence. Then two men per nest, three shifts per day, that's over 163,000 soldiers needed to man the border. We could add in reserves and personnel at border crossing points but there's really no point when we've already got a number greater than the entire strength of the UK regular armed forces.

Would that eat up the £350 million per week the brexiters promised the NHS?

 

[sealion]

'some of my best friends are black'

Don't misquote me
#5383

 

[SpookyFrank]

Would that eat up the £350 million per week the brexiters promised the NHS?

With this level of whip-smart, up-to-the-minute satire you could get a job as writer on the Now Show.

 

[Pickman's model]

I live in Lewisham in South East London, if you are suggesting that you would like to come and see me and hit me over the head say so. Would it be too far for you to travel?

If I was suggesting that believe me I'd be suggesting that. It wouldn't be too far for me to travel. But south if the river at this time of night? You're having a laugh.

 

[David Clapson]

Rees-Mogg has his own thread and in any case you'd struggle to find anyone around here who wasn't already aware he was a nasty and potentially very dangerous character.

I feel he belongs in this thread because, along with higher food prices and job losses, his premiership is one of the very real risks of the Brexit vote. Brexiteers need to think about that. I would hope that the prospect of Rees-Mogg having power over us all would make more people change their minds and push for a 2nd ref.

Had it not been for the Brexit win, Rees-Mogg would just be a backbencher. This is what people mean when they say that the referendum enabled Tory ultras to hold the country hostage. For everyone's sake we need these egomaniacs to return to backbench obscurity.

 

[philosophical]

Have you ever accused someone of being racist right off the bat and had a positive reaction ?

Is this question relevant? I didn't accuse somebody of racism right off the bat, read back we have been over this ground. Others say my post insinuated racism (and ignorance) but subsequent posts regarding Ireland might help you to understand why I enquired, even insinuated if you like, that brexit voters may well have been strongly motivated by anti Irish racism.
If that enquiry is off the agenda here (which it seems to be) then my suspicion in thinking brexit voters were motivated by racism is strengthened.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I feel he belongs in this thread because, along with higher food prices and job losses, his premiership is one of the very real risks of the Brexit vote. Brexiteers need to think about that. I would hope that the prospect of Rees-Mogg having power over us all would make more people change their minds and push for a 2nd ref.

Had it not been for the Brexit win, Rees-Mogg would just be a backbencher. This is what people mean when they say that the referendum enabled Tory ultras to hold the country hostage. For everyone's sake we need these egomaniacs to return to backbench obscurity.

He is still just a backbencher, if you hate him so much stop talking him up ffs.

 

[philosophical]

tidied the post up so a re-read will make more sense

You take umbrage at a question- a question you now see insinuation in. You are offended by the question- deny all you like, you posted as much yourself. But your own questions, carrying far larger a load of assumptions, are to be taken as simple questions. Merely because you phrased them so? this is hypocrisy. In any case Butchersaprons question wasn't meant in seriousness at all but simply to point out that 'only asking a question' doesn't wash here. If you object to the saville question then others are free to read what they do into your innocent questions aren't they?

Thats what butchers was pointing out by asking you the saville question. A massive hypocrisy

Nice try, but butchersapron, and yourself wanted to wrap up your responses by going on about manners or 'politeness' yet at the earliest opportunity both of you start spraying around the judgements and insults. That is the hypocrisy, and I fully understand if that suggestion doesn't sit well with you and your mates.

 

[philosophical]

If I was suggesting that believe me I'd be suggesting that. It wouldn't be too far for me to travel. But south if the river at this time of night? You're having a laugh.

If you weren't suggesting hitting me in the head yourself, were you suggesting it would happen by proxy, you would encourage something or somebody to do something you would like to have happen without your stir?
So what were you suggesting then? If you want to come to see me and physically attack me then you might try, you might even become a youtube star.

 

[DotCommunist]

Nice try, but butchersapron, and yourself wanted to wrap up your responses by going on about manners or 'politeness' yet at the earliest opportunity both of you start spraying around the judgements and insults. That is the hypocrisy, and I fully understand if that suggestion doesn't sit well with you and your mates.

you still don't get how I was talking about politeness do you? never mind.

You do get the hypocrisy of your own position though, that much is clear. The protestations grow ever more shrill. And still you won't have the common fucking courtesy to read back on the thread to get an idea of what the conversation is and where people are coming from.

I know you are in defensive mode now and will give it 'this all proves I am right' etc etc. Carry on.

 

[David Clapson]

He is still just a backbencher, if you hate him so much stop talking him up ffs.

Weeping dicks. He's a backbencher who is the bookie's favourite for next Prime Minister. If I post about him here I doubt it affects his chances.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you weren't suggesting hitting me in the head yourself, were you suggesting it would happen by proxy, you would encourage something or somebody to do something you would like to have happen without your stir?
So what were you suggesting then? If you want to come to see me and physically attack me then you might try, you might even become a youtube star.

I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. I was simply saying there are other ways to get your brains addled than by being kicked by a horse. Your brains appear already to have been addled, and further addling likely superfluous.

 

[stethoscope]

Weeping dicks. He's a backbencher who is the bookie's favourite for next Prime Minister. If I post about him here I doubt it affects his chances.

It's like none of P&P posters have ever heard of him or knows what he's like.

 

[philosophical]

Don't misquote me
#5383

You asked if people who are black and asian that voted brexit could be racist, and you said you knew people who had. I haven't a clue if you were trying to make some kind of point beyond a rather weak attempt to strive for some kind of moral high ground.
To answer your point again, yes black and Asian people could well have been motivated to vote brexit because they are racist, being in an ethnic minority voting brexit does not automatically mean said person voted for other reasons.
I am sorry to repeat this, but yes, raising the Black and Asian point did come across to me as the rather poor 'some of my best friends are black' trope, it reminded me of the kind of thing David Cameron might have said.

 

[philosophical]

I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. I was simply saying there are other ways to get your brains addled than by being kicked by a horse. Your brains appear already to have been addled, and further addling likely superfluous.

You are mistaken in your belief. When you said 'other whacks are available' I assumed you were threatening being Bertie Big Bollocks yourself, so 'available' is the key word here, not that there are 'other ways'.
Don't you fancy youtube fame then?