Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[not-bono-ever]

When you say 'us' can I assume by that that you voted brexit?
If you are, you are the first person on here that I have in any way interacted with who has declared their position.
It need not worry you that an old man like me hates and despises you, because I would never translate that hatred into action, and also be comforted that it is likely that I will die before you.

I have no meat in this sandwich, but can you understand why a LW leaning board may have considered brexit a good move ?

 

[philosophical]

I have no meat in this sandwich, but can you understand why a LW leaning board may have considered brexit a good move ?

I am not sure what LW stands for, does it stand for 'Left Wing'?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I will take that as a compliment seeing as how your judgement is based on a formidable degree of ignorance, and I would not wish a person as ignorant as you seem to be, to judge me as anything other than a fool.

Fuckin’ listen to yourself. One positive of Brexit, it annoys the fuck out of you.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I have no meat in this sandwich, but can you understand why a LW leaning board may have considered brexit a good move ?

I doubt the whole board, or even the all of the Left wingers think it is a good move. This poll had it more than 2:1 remain. Brexit or Bremain - Urban votes

 

[not-bono-ever]

Yep of course, but looking to see if the poster has taken on board why this may be supported by many left people.

 

[philosophical]

Fuckin’ listen to yourself. One positive of Brexit, it annoys the fuck out of you.

One positive of brexit, are there any others then?

Anyway listen to yourself, you are unable to sustain any reasoned argument, and perhaps it is my posting here has 'annoyed the fuck' out of you seeing as how you are reduced to this kind of post. Some people complained when I asked if my assumption that brexit voters were ignorant. You are simply strengthening that assumption.

First you sit in judgement, then you move on to abuse.

Be comforted, you won the vote it is now your country in which you can get pleasure in annoying a remainer like me, I assume that is why you voted brexit in the first place, to annoy people, congratulations on your victory.

Why don't you ignore my posts, I think it is a position you might find easier to sustain?

 

[stethoscope]

Be comforted, you won the vote it is now your country in which you can get pleasure in annoying a remainer like me, I assume that is why you voted brexit in the first place, to annoy people, congratulations on your victory.

Yes, left and far left posters obviously voted leave just to annoy people like you.

You twat.

 

[philosophical]

Yep of course, but looking to see if the poster has taken on board why this may be supported by many left people.

I assume that some left leaning people are against the EU because they think of it as some kind of big businesspeoples club.

The attraction of the EU to me is that it means that the UK is less in the thrall of the same ruling class that has lorded it over us for all of my life. I see brexit as moving from a decent democracy to a shabby coterie of the ruling class within the UK, the business aspect is less of an issue for me, however the Irish border is a big issue for me and no political party left right or centre has come up with a practical answer to that problem.
Which in a sense is where I started.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yes, left and far left posters obviously voted leave just to annoy people like you.

You twat.

His binary half-thoughts are quite astonishing in their idiocy.

Annoying twonks like him is a happy side effect though

 

[Yossarian]

Yes over 17 million voted brexit, and I accept they might not all be racists, but I don't want to dismiss them principally because of the damage they have done.
To use a cliche I want to hold their metaphorical feet to the fire and get them to tell me the practical steps they planned before voting to make brexit happen.
I have asked this elsewhere, and instead of any brexit voter being able to suggest any practical solutions they tend to attack me as a form of diversion. This place is no different.
Take my opening post, nobody so far has responded to the challenge regarding the Irish border, but people have responded to the fact that I hate and despise brexiters (for the damage they have done). This is a typical brexit response, no actual ideas, but give a kicking to the losers because they don't love big brother as it were.

The European Union, as an entity, is a poisonous, anti-democratic neoliberal bosses' club that claims to work for the betterment for everybody involved but mostly does the opposite - they're heartless cunts who would cheerfully let Greeks starve if they can't make debt payments, and want to create a Fortress Europe where refugees end up enslaved in Libya or somewhere before they can get anywhere near a European country. It's better to fuck them off now while the chance is there and hold out the hope of creating something better - and if it doesn't work, at least it's a kick in the balls to the existing order, and one which might open up more opportunities to change things.

I wouldn't have voted for it because I think a Brexit led by the Conservative Party is a pile of shit that is only going to make things shittier than they were before, but I don't see anything particularly hard to grasp about the Brexit - and Lexit - point of view.

 

[philosophical]

Yes, left and far left posters obviously voted leave just to annoy people like you.

You twat.

Reduced to abuse too?
I don't know which poster here is either left or far left, but I do know which posters have posted ignorant abuse like you have.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The European Union, as an entity, is a poisonous, anti-democratic neoliberal bosses' club that claims to work for the betterment for everybody involved but mostly does the opposite - they're heartless cunts who would cheerfully let Greeks starve if they can't make debt payments, and want to create a Fortress Europe where refugees end up enslaved in Libya or somewhere before they can get anywhere near a European country. It's better to fuck them off now while the chance is there and hold out the hope of creating something better - and if it doesn't work, at least it's a kick in the balls to the existing order, and one which might open up more opportunities to change things.

I wouldn't have voted for it because I think a Brexit led by the Conservative Party is a pile of shit that is only going to make things shittier than they were before, but I don't see anything particularly hard to grasp about the Brexit - and Lexit - point of view.

Agree with this. It works the other way as well, of course - being opposed to Brexit doesn't mean you're in a love-in with the EU.

 

[ddraig]

Reduced to abuse too?
I don't know which poster here is either left or far left, but I do know which posters have posted ignorant abuse like you have.

you could've read some of the fucking thread or another brexit one in the time you've been pissing about on here
as suggested by a few posters
do yourself a favour and read some before assuming and kicking off

 

[philosophical]

The European Union, as an entity, is a poisonous, anti-democratic neoliberal bosses' club that claims to work for the betterment for everybody involved but mostly does the opposite - they're heartless cunts who would cheerfully let Greeks starve if they can't make debt payments, and want to create a Fortress Europe where refugees end up enslaved in Libya or somewhere before they can get anywhere near a European country. It's better to fuck them off now while the chance is there and hold out the hope of creating something better - and if it doesn't work, at least it's a kick in the balls to the existing order, and one which might open up more opportunities to change things.

I wouldn't have voted for it because I think a Brexit led by the Conservative Party is a pile of shit that is only going to make things shittier than they were before, but I don't see anything particularly hard to grasp about the Brexit - and Lexit - point of view.

I appreciate the honesty of this post. I assume that you would hold out very little hope that the EU could be reformed for the better, and I sense that the financials are part of what motivated your post.
I disagree because I see the EU as more democratic than the UK with it's monarchy, House of Lords and eternal privileged ruling class that emerge from the shires.
You hope for something better while the chance is there, I see those who voted brexit as imprisoning me in this UK system of 'fuck off and die' Toryism forever.
Seeing as how you are hoping for something better, perhaps you might like to explain the practical steps you would now take (seeing as how you won) to solve the Irish border issue.

 

[philosophical]

you could've read some of the fucking thread or another brexit one in the time you've been pissing about on here
as suggested by a few posters
do yourself a favour and read some before assuming and kicking off

Are you one of those left or far left people that have been mentioned on here. It is often said that ultimately the far left become authoritarian, and judging by what you write you are heading down the authoritarian road.
You have no need to tell me what I should or shouldn't do, and I will try to reciprocate.

 

[ddraig]

Are you one of those left or far left people that have been mentioned on here. It is often said that ultimately the far left become authoritarian, and judging by what you write you are heading down the authoritarian road.
You have no need to tell me what I should or shouldn't do, and I will try to reciprocate.

oh do fuck off

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I disagree because I see the EU as more democratic than the UK with it's monarchy, House of Lords and eternal privileged ruling class that emerge from the shires.
You hope for something better while the chance is there, I see those who voted brexit as imprisoning me in this UK system of 'fuck off and die' Toryism forever.

Christ.

 

[philosophical]

oh do fuck off

Some people complained when I asked if brexit voters were ignorant.

 

[Yossarian]

I appreciate the honesty of this post. I assume that you would hold out very little hope that the EU could be reformed for the better, and I sense that the financials are part of what motivated your post.
I disagree because I see the EU as more democratic than the UK with it's monarchy, House of Lords and eternal privileged ruling class that emerge from the shires.
You hope for something better while the chance is there, I see those who voted brexit as imprisoning me in this UK system of 'fuck off and die' Toryism forever.
Seeing as how you are hoping for something better, perhaps you might like to explain the practical steps you would now take (seeing as how you won) to solve the Irish border issue.

I didn't actually vote for Brexit, I was restating the argument for it as I understand it. I was against it at the time because I saw it as giving the British state and the Conservative Party more power than they had previously. I was surprised to find out that nobody involved seems to have given much thought to the Irish border issue.

 

[philosophical]

Christ.

Is this a heavily Christian forum too?

 

[philosophical]

I didn't actually vote for Brexit, I was restating the argument for it as I understand it. I was against it at the time because I saw it as giving the British state and the Conservative Party more power than they had previously. I was surprised to find out that nobody involved seems to have given much thought to the Irish border issue.

I apologise for assuming from your post that you voted brexit.
My assumption regarding the Irish border is that those voting brexit thought they could blag it with the Irish, who brexiters hate anyway for racist reasons.
Hence my initial question regarding ignorance and racism.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Some people complained when I asked if brexit voters were ignorant.

You think that the EU is democratic in spite of its president openly rejoicing in the lack of democratic accountability of it.

You think that Brexit means we’re locked in to Tories in spite of Corbyn’s Labour taking so many votes even with a majority of his MPs actively trying to sabotage the party’s chances, in spite of UKIP all but dead and the Tories tearing themselves to bits.

You are either chronically stupid or trolling.

 

[sealion]

who brexiters hate anyway for racist reasons.

I voted leave, my parents and wider family are Irish. There is no hate here for the Irish.

 

[sealion]

or trolling.

BIG troll i think

 

[philosophical]

You think that the EU is democratic in spite of its president openly rejoicing in the lack of democratic accountability of it.

You think that Brexit means we’re locked in to Tories in spite of Corbyn’s Labour taking so many votes even with a majority of his MPs actively trying to sabotage the party’s chances, in spite of UKIP all but dead and the Tories tearing themselves to bits.

You are either chronically stupid or trolling.

The president openly rejoicing in the lack of democratic accountability?
Either you have no evidence for this, or the president is simply wrong.
The EU is more democratic than the UK, it might seem remote, it might seem a different version of 'democracy' than the one you prefer, but it is more democratic. For a start EU citizens dont have to be subject to the vote of Lady Whatshername who's family trampled ordinary people for power ages ago. The EU has proportional representation, yer in the election before last the Greens and UKIP (spit) got four million votes and one seat.
if you can't see how undemocratic the UK is maybe you are the one who is chronically stupid.
As for Corbyns Labour, they want to leave the EU too, so despite their hopeful agenda they are shooting themselves in the foot by having that stance.

 

[sealion]

As for Corbyns Labour, they want to leave the EU too

Are they all racists as well then ?

 

[Yossarian]

I apologise for assuming from your post that you voted brexit.
My assumption regarding the Irish border is that those voting brexit thought they could blag it with the Irish, who brexiters hate anyway for racist reasons.
Hence my initial question regarding ignorance and racism.

I don't remember the Irish border coming up that often in the pre-Brexit debates, it was like everybody assumed there was some basic level of competence involved.

Anyway, there are a lot of very smart people here making good cases for Brexit, many of them have been made on this thread already, if you treat people with a bit of respect they might talk to you about it, if you call everybody ignorant racists then they probably won't.

 

[stethoscope]

Do you/did you vote Lib Dem, @philosophical?

 

[butchersapron]

This confused old gentleman's (who should maybe think about laying off the sunday lunchtime pints) ill-informed vitriol disgusting smears and illogical evidence free attempts at argument strike me as simply being the less polite version of what many of the more prolific anti-brexit posters on this thread have put forward.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The president openly rejoicing in the lack of democratic accountability?
Either you have no evidence for this, or the president is simply wrong.

I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates

Regarding the French referendum

If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’

On the introduction of the Euro

We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.

Democratic deficit in the European Union - Wikipedia

Wake up.