Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[scifisam]

I think that a level of racist ideology is so embedded in the minds of the kind of people who tend to become cops in the US that they simply can't get their heads around the idea that it's somehow not OK to shoot a black man. You don't solve that kind of problem with diversity training - you need to go back to their origins. The only way you're going to end up with a non-racist police force is to screen applicants like fuck, and rigorously exclude any who betray signs of even latent racism. It's not that there's a few bad apples - lots of those apples are fine, but the fucking barrel has rotted to bits.

Vox has an interesting article on this subject. What the police really believe

It says that it's partly the nature of the job that encourages not racism, exactly, but acting on that racism. There are probably better parts to pick out, TBH, but I'm tired and wanted to post it before I forgot.

 

[scifisam]

The one who got shot in the head was a registered sex offender sentenced in 2002 for activities with a minor.

1) That could be as serious as raping a young child, or as grey-area as being a young man with a 16-year-old GF
2) That's not why the killer shot him
3) Digging into the backgrounds of the victims of a murder is a shitty tactic
4) Bringing it up makes it sound like you want the protesters to be painted as a bunch of crims. You probably don't, but that's what someone who did want that would do.

 

[Streathamite]

1) That could be as serious as raping a young child, or as grey-area as being a young man with a 16-year-old GF
2) That's not why the killer shot him
3) Digging into the backgrounds of the victims of a murder is a shitty tactic
4) Bringing it up makes it sound like you want the protesters to be painted as a bunch of crims. You probably don't, but that's what someone who did want that would do.

absolutely spot on. I know absolutely f-all about this poster, but that got my antennae twitching

 

[kenny g]

1) That could be as serious as raping a young child, or as grey-area as being a young man with a 16-year-old GF
2) That's not why the killer shot him
3) Digging into the backgrounds of the victims of a murder is a shitty tactic
4) Bringing it up makes it sound like you want the protesters to be painted as a bunch of crims. You probably don't, but that's what someone who did want that would do.

Look. I think it is of interest. May explain some of his behaviour towards the perpetrator if he had spent time inside and was faced with a 17 year old with a gun trying to push his weight around.

 

[TomUS]

did you take a gun?

No. I don't carry a gun. Do you?

 

[Pickman's model]

Look. I think it is of interest. May explain some of his behaviour towards the perpetrator if he had spent time inside and was faced with a 17 year old with a gun trying to push his weight around.

Reread your post, it makes no sense. How many 17 year aulds carrying guns would you expect to be wandering around inside American prisons?

 

[PTK]

The one who got shot in the head was a registered sex offender sentenced in 2002 for activities with a minor.

How do you "know" this? Do you believe all propaganda?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Reread your post, it makes no sense. How many 17 year aulds carrying guns would you expect to be wandering around inside American prisons?

I think the perpetrator is the 17 yo ... or did I read it wrong?

 

[PTK]

Reread your post, it makes no sense. How many 17 year aulds carrying guns would you expect to be wandering around inside American prisons?

I think what the apologist for murder is trying to say is that the victim provoked the murderer, because the victim had been in prison .

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

No. I don't carry a gun. Do you?

I have a toothpick

signed: McGyver

 

[Orang Utan]

No. I don't carry a gun. Do you?

Never seen one IRL - have you?

 

[Pickman's model]

Never seen one IRL - have you?

you've lived in London and never seen the guards at buckingham palace or armed cops on the streets? For shame

 

[kenny g]

How do you "know" this? Do you believe all propaganda?

Sex offender registers are open in the US.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Sex offender registers are open in the US.

“Eight year olds, Dude”

 

[DaveCinzano]

It's very 2020 when a big business sports team puts out strong political messages underpinned by tangible demands:

 

[Streathamite]

It's very 2020 when a big business sports team puts out strong political messages underpinned by tangible demands:

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I'd never seen anything like that from a big-deal US sports frnchise, before this year. Now, I'm almost unsurprised.
The political tectonic plates aren't so much shifting as heaving.

 

[PTK]

Sex offender registers are open in the US.

This "information" is too convenient. I remember that it was claimed that Jean Charles de Menezes, who was murdered by the cops in London, was a sex offender. It turns out that this was untrue. One of the former weapons inspectors in Iraq was alleged to have downloaded child pornography.

 

[scifisam]

Sex offender registers are open in the US.

Although it won't say what the offence was, and it's easy to wrongly identify people. That means it would be easy to completely make it up, then say "oh, sorry, I got the name wrong," all the while knowingly disseminating false information intended to make the killer look like the good guy. (Again, not you, but whoever you got this info from).

None of the reports I've seen actually identify the victims, and I have searched. But I might be missing US sites that name them or something like that.

It's a huge number of leaps to make from this guy might be a registered sex offender to that means he was in prison to that means he was the one who started the fight to that explains the killer's actions.

 

[Dogsauce]

He is either a moron or a moronic nazi.

or a bot/paid agent stirring shit to increase division in the US and make the whole place fall apart.

 

[Streathamite]

perhaps the thread title should be temporarily changed to "is America drowning"...
apols, off-topic joke in extremely poor taste. I have every sympathy for all the people caught up in Hurricane Laura

 

[Nylock]

I read recently (sorry, can't remember where) an article where the writer talks of a 'cold civil war' being almost the de-facto state of affairs due to how deeply polarized the country is along partisan political lines. Are they right in stating this? If so, could the election heat things up almost regardless of the result?

 

[spring-peeper]

I read recently (sorry, can't remember where) an article where the writer talks of a 'cold civil war' being almost the de-facto state of affairs due to how deeply polarized the country is along partisan political lines. Are they right in stating this? If so, could the election heat things up almost regardless of the result?

I think there will be violence and it will be along party lines or racial.
Somehow, I think they really all the same -> hate for no reason.

If the shooter continues to be a hero, and the protesters demonized, there will be a major divide on what justice really means.

Things will fester and grow.
The election could well be the tinder point.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I read recently (sorry, can't remember where) an article where the writer talks of a 'cold civil war' being almost the de-facto state of affairs due to how deeply polarized the country is along partisan political lines. Are they right in stating this? If so, could the election heat things up almost regardless of the result?

Sadly yes. I have many friends (and some family) on the other side of the divide and it has been stressful on relationships. I'm not the only one who has seen that. Sometimes I've seen friends sever family ties because of political differences. Streathamite mentioned that the political landscape on the left is "heaving." Its heaving on the right just as much, and it could cause a rift that will last generations--much as the civil war has. There's still division going on because of a war that happened more than 150 years ago. This may be as divisive as that.

 

[dylanredefined]

or a bot/paid agent stirring shit to increase division in the US and make the whole place fall apart.

The Russians are going to recruit some 17yr who dreams of being a emt/cop/firefighter who thinks turning up at a protest with a first aid kit and a semi automatic rifle is going to make him a hero.
His parents the cops and if the militia have any leadership should all be held responsible for the deaths he caused.Why cops even thought the militia were a good idea is beyond me.

 

[brogdale]

Why cops even thought the militia were a good idea is beyond me.

Subcontracting racialised murder.

 

[tony.c]

There's still division going on because of a war that happened more than 150 years ago. This may be as divisive as that.

Every day I see something that makes me more scared about what is happening in the US.

Black activist threatened with lynching in rural Indiana

We've been speaking to one African-American man about the very ordinary, everyday racist attack he faced.

www.channel4.com

 

[brogdale]

Every day I see something that makes me more scared about what is happening in the US.

Black activist threatened with lynching in rural Indiana

We've been speaking to one African-American man about the very ordinary, everyday racist attack he faced.

www.channel4.com

Very disturbing report and that victim is showing such courage in responding by publicising the attack as an educative opportunity. Also good that C4 news gave over 10 mins airtime to play the report.

 

[cupid_stunt]

That's shocking.

 

[Badgers]

 

[Pickman's model]

This "information" is too convenient. I remember that it was claimed that Jean Charles de Menezes, who was murdered by the cops in London, was a sex offender. It turns out that this was untrue. One of the former weapons inspectors in Iraq was alleged to have downloaded child pornography.

The forest gate raid...