Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[8ball]

. Bloody dp.

 

[Nylock]

Yeah, and a huge number of people there didn’t do anything more than take up space. The FBI itself concluded that it wasn’t an organised attack.

I already stated as much when I said it was the frontline ppl that were organised with the rest being gawkers and hangers-on. Even some of the more well-known looters arrived in the capitol building after all the fighting was over and mostly took items of opportunity. Like that tit who stole the speaker's podium.

It was a shambolic gathering ranging from serious violent elements to people just kind of milling about. Unprecedented and weird, but the “civil war” stuff is just hyperbole.

There was no plan,(...)

The "serious violent elements" (of which there were many) were organised. Just like any hardcore element of any riot/coup attempt/etc tend to be.

(...)and no one was going to grab hold of a magic radio and turn the USA into a fascist dictatorship.

Tha's not how this sort of thing works and well you know it.

 

[8ball]

Tha's not how this sort of thing works and well you know it.

Of course I do.
I was referencing a previous post.

 

[Ax^]

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There was no plan, and no one was going to grab hold of a magic radio and turn the USA into a fascist dictatorship.

came very close with the trump presidential term and that was only foiled by the guy being dumb enough to suggest to his own voter not to vote my mail

America is a very fractured society ATM and could easily go either way

 

[Pickman's model]

came very close with the trump presidential term and that was only foiled by the guy being dumb enough to suggest to his own voter not to vote my mail

America is a very fractured society ATM and could easily go either way

Either way fascist or communist?

 

[Pickman's model]

. Bloody dp.

Your most cogent point yet

 

[8ball]

Your most cogent point yet

And yours?

 

[Ax^]

Either way fascist or communist?

fascist or stay really conservative

even the democrats make the Tory's look like lefty's

 

[Ax^]

the idea that the fash have become main stream in the United States and that nothing to worry about is an interest take on it all

 

[8ball]

Oddly, I speak to Americans a lot and they don't seem to think that fascism is mainstream.

But then no one here said fascism was mainstream and nothing to worry about except you.

 

[Ax^]

did you not say you know some really informed pro life People on another thread maybe you talking to the wrong Americans

 

[8ball]

did you not say you know some really informed pro life People on another thread maybe you talking to the wrong Americans

I know quite a few Americans.
I wasn't talking about them.

 

[krtek a houby]

Oddly, I speak to Americans a lot and they don't seem to think that fascism is mainstream.

But then no one here said fascism was mainstream and nothing to worry about except you.

Oddly, and not having a go, but have found that it's the complete opposite to your experience.


Depends where you are and who you talking to, am guessing?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yeah, and a huge number of people there didn’t do anything more than take up space. The FBI itself concluded that it wasn’t an organised attack.

It was a shambolic gathering ranging from serious violent elements to people just kind of milling about. Unprecedented and weird, but the “civil war” stuff is just hyperbole.

There was no plan, and no one was going to grab hold of a magic radio and turn the USA into a fascist dictatorship.

I do think it was being used as cover for people who had that intent, but the people in key places of power needed to cooperate wouldn't. I've been reading some of the stuff about Mike Pence. On Jan 6 he was afraid to get into a secret service car because he thought there was a possibility that he'd never been seen again. I have no love for Mike Pence and his faction, but I find it astonishing that the Vice President didn't trust his own security service.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Oddly, I speak to Americans a lot and they don't seem to think that fascism is mainstream.

They're certainly trying to be mainstream. They've stopped with the buzz cuts and swastika tats and have switched to chinos and polo shirts. If you hunt up some of their propaganda, you'll see men in suits talking about "heritage" and "preserving white culture", instead of "the Joos." However, if they move an arm just the right way, you can see the tats under than suit sleeve. Often, if you watch closely on Facebook, you'll see some piece of far right-wing propaganda pop up as something presented as mainstream. I'm not certain most people know propaganda when they see it.

 

[8ball]

Oddly, and not having a go, but have found that it's the complete opposite to your experience.


Depends where you are and who you talking to, am guessing?

Depends who you have been talking to and how you know them. If there's any self-selecting element akin to urban then that would explain your findings.

 

[8ball]

They're certainly trying to be mainstream. They've stopped with the buzz cuts and swastika tats and have switched to chinos and polo shirts. If you hunt up some of their propaganda, you'll see men in suits talking about "heritage" and "preserving white culture", instead of "the Joos." However, if they move an arm just the right way, you can see the tats under than suit sleeve. Often, if you watch closely on Facebook, you'll see some piece of far right-wing propaganda pop up as something presented as mainstream.

Yeah, we have groups who have been trying to look more respectable here for ages too.
Fascism is not mainstream here, needless to say.

 

[two sheds]

I'm sure if you asked a lot of Republicans they wouldn't think they were headed towards fascism because they agree with the direction and just don't see it.

This is Merriam-Webster:

Fascism: often capitalized: 1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control // early instances of army fascism and brutality— J. W. Aldridge

Definition 2. is certainly true of top republicans, trumpies, Fox and friends. I'd say definition 1 can be argued, too, including the economic and social regimentation.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Definition 2. is certainly true of top republicans, trumpies, Fox and friends. I'd say definition 1 can be argued, too, including the economic and social regimentation.

People who watch Fox and friends are certainly people I'd classify as unable to recognize propaganda.

 

[8ball]

People who watch Fox and friends are certainly people I'd classify as unable to recognize propaganda.

Except for those who know they are watching propaganda. Would add CNN and others to that.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Except for those who know they are watching propaganda. Would add CNN and others to that.

I don't see a lot of people who understand that the news service they follow (Fox, CNN, etc included) is propaganda. It's always the other guy's news that's propaganda.

 

[8ball]

It's always the other guy's news that's propaganda.

Yep, that's a big part of the whole problem.

 

[Ax^]

aye both side have propaganda


but one side is rehashing elements of the protocols of Zion and preaching great replacement theory, racist conspiracy theorys and proflife ballocks

so their is that

 

[two sheds]

Good people on both sides though.

 

[Ax^]

good people don't normally agree with the fash but hey ho

 

[Cid]

Francis Fukuyama on the end of American hegemony
economist Aug 18th 2021

Quite revealing that Fukuyama thinks of abortion as a 'conventional policy issue' rather than part of the 'bitter fight over cultural identity'.

 

[yield]

Quite revealing that Fukuyama thinks of abortion as a 'conventional policy issue' rather than part of the 'bitter fight over cultural identity'.

I'm no fan of Fukuyama, thought the analysis was right though. He came to mind because of his essay "The End of History?"

History never ended after all. The 21st century, where everything starts to break up...

 

[petee]

It was a shambolic gathering ranging from serious violent elements to people just kind of milling about. Unprecedented and weird, but the “civil war” stuff is just hyperbole.

 

[8ball]

Good to see the power is back on.
How are the barricades holding up in NYC?

 

[Ax^]

starting to come across like someone odd that