Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[RD2003]

I'm reminded of Urban's near-consensus in mid-February that Russia would never invade.

Apparently, millions of people in Yugoslavia didn't believe in the possibility of civil war up until just weeks or even days before the first shots were fired.

This was despite major politicians and other well-known talking heads stoking up nationalism and ethnic hatreds on their TV screens for months.

 

[krtek a houby]

Closer to a civil war?

You've seen the footage, right?

And you're aware that voices on the right have tried to dismiss it as an enthusiastic day out?

Analysis: A Republican House member just described January 6 as a 'normal tourist visit'

 

[maomao]

I seem to remember accounts of the Storming of the Winter palace describing people having a good gawp and trying stuff on with others telling them to respect the property of the people.

 

[krtek a houby]

I seem to remember accounts of the Storming of the Winter palace describing people having a good gawp and trying stuff on with others telling them to respect the property of the people.

The US right (and centerists) are big on the welfare of property. Was told countless times that antifa and BLM were burning down cities, which seemed to take precedence over police brutality and racism within the structure.

Hmm.

 

[petee]

There is no essential difference between the Democratic "party" ad the Republican "party".

on the national level not much i grant you, but there is on the local level. it's thanks to the fact that the D party took all three branches of NYS government that the housing law of 2019 was passed which - and i am not exaggerating - has changed my projections for the rest of my own life, being as i am on a non-market rental program. i have exactly one time n all my years pulled a D lever but i certainly feel more warmly towards them now.

 

[story]

Closer to a civil war?

War vets who joined the police and were there at the Capitol said that it felt like war to them.

 

[8ball]

War vets who joined the police and were there at the Capitol said that it felt like war to them.

This one?

Army vet, ex-cop convicted of storming Capitol to disrupt Congress

Jurors convicted former Rocky Mount police officer Thomas Robertson of all six counts he faced stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, riot.

www.armytimes.com

 

[story]

This one?

Army vet, ex-cop convicted of storming Capitol to disrupt Congress

Jurors convicted former Rocky Mount police officer Thomas Robertson of all six counts he faced stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, riot.

www.armytimes.com

No

 

[story]

No

At least one of the cops who was defending the Capitol said it.

 

[story]

Not sure why you feel the need to dig into this particular detail 8ball tbh but here is a Reuters report quoting a couple of the cops who were caught up in things on Jan 6

Police recount mayhem and 'attempted coup' in U.S. Capitol riot

Four police officers on Tuesday told lawmakers they were beaten, taunted with racial insults, heard threats including "kill him with his own gun" and thought they might die as they struggled to defend the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 against a mob of then-President Donald Trump's supporters.

www.reuters.com

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Or watch the film.
I’m not going back to rewatch it to pull out details in order to prove minor points.

 

[8ball]

I’m not going back to rewatch it to pull out details in order to prove minor points.

“I’ve Googled a couple of keywords and think I’ve found something that will convince the gallery, but don’t expect me to carry on playing if you’re going to do mean things like question the relationship between the link content and what I want it to say…”.

Ok, I won’t.

 

[story]

“I’ve Googled a couple of keywords and think I’ve found something that will convince the gallery, but don’t expect me to carry on playing if you’re going to do mean things like question the relationship between the link content and what I want it to say…”.

Ok, I won’t.

This thread isn’t about whether a particular copper really said that his experience was that the assault on the Capitol was like a warzone. And anyway your clear need to look at that source is no doubt so that you can pick it apart in some way. If you‘re really so interested in discrediting me or the copper, go and make a hobby out of it. Go watch the film.

You haven’t watched the film that informed my thinking.
You disagree with my thinking.
You want me to go back and reel through the film to find the single piece of information that you’ve got caught up on
Which is a minor point in the current discussion.
And you seem to believe that this undermines my opinion and position

 

[8ball]

Your opinion and position doesn’t seem to be anything coherent or consistent enough to be undermined tbf.

 

[maomao]

Your opinion and position doesn’t seem to be anything coherent or consistent enough to be undermined tbf.

Something you've avoided by not expressing an opinion or position at any point.

 

[story]

In that Reuters piece I linked to:

Gonell, an Iraq war veteran and naturalized U.S. citizen born in the Dominican Republic, likened the violence to "a medieval battlefield" and recalled rioters labeling him a traitor who should be executed. Gonell said he thought to himself, "This is how I'm going to die."

 

[story]

Not sure why you feel the need to dig into this particular detail 8ball tbh but here is a Reuters report quoting a couple of the cops who were caught up in things on Jan 6

Police recount mayhem and 'attempted coup' in U.S. Capitol riot

Four police officers on Tuesday told lawmakers they were beaten, taunted with racial insults, heard threats including "kill him with his own gun" and thought they might die as they struggled to defend the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 against a mob of then-President Donald Trump's supporters.

www.reuters.com

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Or watch the film.
I’m not going back to rewatch it to pull out details in order to prove minor points.

This link here 8ball.

It’s not the exact same quote as that in the film but it is a war vet saying that he felt like he was on a battlefield and thought he was going to die. ETA I think it’s actually a different person. So that’s two cops who said it felt like a battlefield or warzone.

Michael Fanone also thought he was going to die.

 

[story]

Something you've avoided by not expressing an opinion or position at any point.

I‘m confused about what point 8ball is trying to make by trying to picking apart this specific detail.

 

[8ball]

This link here 8ball.

It’s not the exact same quote as that in the film but it is a war vet saying that he felt like he was on a battlefield and thought he was going to die.

Michael Fanone also thought he was going to die.

Oh, I thought you said you weren’t going to go back through this stuff to prove a minor point..

 

[8ball]

I‘m confused about what point 8ball is trying to make by trying to picking apart this specific detail.

What point are you trying to make?

 

[story]

This is absurd.

 

[8ball]

This is absurd.

Consensus has been achieved.

 

[two sheds]

Why are you doing this 8ball? It's a serious thread and you're just pissing about.

 

[two sheds]

You quoted a post by PTK earlier which seems to have become conflated with your replies to me. That’s why I brought up the multiple accounts thing.

Re: the paragraph before, yes, there were plans to play dirty and there are most certainly plans to do that again.

Since you brought up gerrymandering as a threat in terms of Republicans stealing the election, you may find this interesting:

How Democrats learned to stop worrying and love the gerrymander

Republicans titled the House map. Democrats are gerrymandering their way back.

www.vox.com

Yes interesting - so the democrats retaliated against republican gerrymandering since otherwise they'd be at a huge disadvantage (and remember even though Trump won his election he lost the popular vote). Even so the republicans have still gerrymandered more successfully, and some of the democratic efforts might be disallowed.

So that's just the stopping black people from voting, trying to stuff the voting booths with their fanatical supporters, and interference with the voting machines that the republicans are doing. Haven't seen seen reports of the democrats doing those things.

 

[maomao]

Why are you doing this 8ball? It's a serious thread and you're just pissing about.

To answer your earlier question: I think you just hadn't noticed.

 

[8ball]

Why are you doing this 8ball? It's a serious thread and you're just pissing about.

Wtf?

What I’ve been saying is pretty plain:

The USA is not in the midst of a civil war.
The USA is not on the brink of a civil war.

For this I get a couple of pages of flapping, equivocation, Humpty Dumpty games and I’m the one who isn’t serious?

 

[PTK]

I have not followed the outcome of the events of 6 Janurary last year closely, but it seems to me that the Biden government has been reluctant to clamp down on those involved. I conclude from this that it does not consider these events to have been a credible attempt at a coup.

 

[two sheds]

Wtf?

What I’ve been saying is pretty plain:

The USA is not in the midst of a civil war.
The USA is not on the brink of a civil war.

For this I get a couple of pages of flapping, equivocation, Humpty Dumpty games and I’m the one who isn’t serious?

I'm specifically talking about your latest exchange with story. He makes a serious point and you're avoiding it while pretending he's being absurd.

 

[8ball]

I'm specifically talking about your latest exchange with story. He makes a serious point and you're avoiding it while pretending he's being absurd.

Is it one that you are able to paraphrase?

 

[Pickman's model]

I have not followed the outcome of the events of 6 Janurary last year closely, but it seems to me that the Biden government has been reluctant to clamp down on those involved. I conclude from this that it does not consider these events to have been a credible attempt at a coup.

Why do you think it's the biden govt's place to clamp down on those involved and not er the criminal justice system's? Have you not noticed there's nearly 800 cases been brought? https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases have you been paying any attention at all?

 

[two sheds]

No need to paraphrase, it's from this post onwards

War vets who joined the police and were there at the Capitol said that it felt like war to them.

You've just avoided his point and belittled his discussion of it.