Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Zapp Brannigan]

I don't see the rioting producing anything positive. On the contrary, it produces only negative results. So, your solution is more rioting?

Your solution is there's nothing that can be done, know your place, lie back down and take it. You are not just on the side of the problem, you are the problem.

 

[existentialist]

Tbh I'd be very tempted to trash any business you patronised

Just don't trash everything he patronises, or you'll be gunning for quite a lot of Urban, too...

 

[Pickman's model]

Just don't trash everything he patronises, or you'll be gunning for quite a lot of Urban, too...

He patronises us but not in the same way

 

[hitmouse]

Places where I used to go (small businesses and restaurants) now boarded up after being attacked. A once thriving downtown generating huge #s of jobs that is now a boarded up virtual ghost town.

I'm so glad I don't live in Portland, so all my local small business and restaurants have just been thriving over the past year, just heaving full of customers all day every day.

 

[hitmouse]

I don't see the rioting producing anything positive. On the contrary, it produces only negative results.

Isn't it an amazing coincidence that all these police reform measures just happened to be introduced in summer 2020, for reasons that are just completely unrelated to the George Floyd protests?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

You are obsessed by property damage.

You're clearly the one obsessed with property damage, not me. You care more about that than 20 million peoples lives ending globally every year as you've demonstrated time and again, because you're an arsehole.

 

[VfromtheG]

All be it .... the victim of years of American liberal P.R. clinging to his masters boot in fear

Just go out to a Portland protest Tom and see for yourself .

 

[krtek a houby]

I see the results of the rioting.....businesses and government buildings under constant attack. The local media covers it extensively. I've been in front of the justice center (police HQ) and seen the rioters gathering for the assault. Places where I used to go (small businesses and restaurants) now boarded up after being attacked. A once thriving downtown generating huge #s of jobs that is now a boarded up virtual ghost town. I will never forgive the extreme left for trashing what was once a great place.

But you'll forgive successive repub/dem administrations maintaining a status quo that puts buildings, statues, and militarized police forces over people. A system that has failed the working class, the marginalized.


Hmmm.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Then you are demonstrably wrong.

Can you demonstrate that for me? Just so I understand where your figures come from.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If I were to choose a city now I wouldn't choose Portland. Mainly due to the constant rioting and damage done to the downtown area as well as other parts of town by anarchists and other rioters. I've see the ugly side of ultra liberal politicians who allow rioters to run wild. I've seen first hand the very ugly side of the extreme left.

Trust me when I say this: the right has an extremely ugly side too. People who bomb clinics and scream at women just going in for a pap smear at Planned Parenthood. People who tell young women from the pulpit, that they are less-than and shouldn't expect to have a say in their own lives, or that its wrong for them to get an education. People who hate undocumented workers, but don't hesitate to use them to make a buck. People who use undocumented workers to make a buck and then bet on how many will die from Covid. People who enjoyed watching Trump cause the children of immigrants to have meltdowns in school because they were afraid of coming home to find their parents gone. People who are not only fine with their fellow citizens dying from lack of healthcare, but seem to relish it. People who claim to be for homeless veterans so they can say no to services for anyone else, but when asked to contribute to a group that works with homeless veterans, sudden have empty pockets. People who are openly neo-Nazis and hope to do it better here than the Nazis managed. A billionarie governor that has dragged his feet on expanding healthcare while people are dying. A billionaire governor who was against expanding food assistance in the middle of a pandemic, while people he said weren't hungry lined up for miles for boxes of food. This is what I see every day. But you only seem to rail against the left.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Can you demonstrate that for me? Just so I understand where your figures come from.

Well I did already list the organisations that I got my figures from

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Well I did already list the organisations that I got my figures from

Can you give me a page number, please?

 

[yield]

Can you give me a page number, please?

I've heard the numbers in that book have been inflated (wether that's true or not I don't know for sure) and I'm not saying that state 'communism' wasn't very repressive and that it didn't kill many people. However . . .

Every year 8 million people die globally from a lack of clean water, 7.6 million die from hunger, 3 million die from curable diseases and 5 million die of malaria.

That's over 20 million people each year that die, not because their deaths are not preventable (they are), but because keeping these people alive is not 'profitable' under capitalism.

So capitalism kills atleast 20 million people per year globally. That's atleast 100 million deaths in just 5 years! So you can see how capitalism has killed way more people than authoritarian communism (which is infact a type of state capitalist dictatorship in practice).

Also in 2016, 15.6 million children under the age of five died, thats 15,000 a day (76.5% of them in Africa).

3.1 million children die from under-nutrition per year (hunger and under-nutrition contribute to half of all child deaths globally). Under-nutrition causes children to be more vulnerable from illness and can exacerbate diseases.

66 million primary school age children attend classes hungry around the developing world (23 million of whom are in Africa). Going to school hungry obviously affects their ability to learn.



These figures are from a number of organisations such as UNICEF, the WHO, The World Food Programme, Poverty.com and UN Water.

Mmm, I wonder why some people such as anarchists are pissed off at capitalism? (and I haven't even mentioned the global environmental harm caused by this evil system and it's demand for ever more year-on-year profit making)

The megadeaths of Liberalism

People are very fond of bandying around the millions that were killed by the famines in Maoist China or Stalins Ukraine, but liberalism usually gets let off the hook. A quick tally of how many millions killed by liberal regimes in the last 100 years or so would include the 5 million, iirc...

www.urban75.net

EU, UK and USA amongst those who opposed liberalising covid vaccine intellectual property right at the World Health Organisation

Rich countries block push by developing nations to waive COVID vaccine patents rights

Richer members of the World Trade Organization (WTO) blocked a push by over 80 developing countries on Wednesday (10 March) to waive patent rights in an effort to boost production of COVID-19 vaccines for poor nations.

www.euractiv.com

And potentially the biggest of them all climate change

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

And potentially the biggest of them all climate change

Thank you.

 

[TomUS]

Trust me when I say this: the right has an extremely ugly side too. People who bomb clinics and scream at women just going in for a pap smear at Planned Parenthood. People who tell young women from the pulpit, that they are less-than and shouldn't expect to have a say in their own lives, or that its wrong for them to get an education. People who hate undocumented workers, but don't hesitate to use them to make a buck. People who use undocumented workers to make a buck and then bet on how many will die from Covid. People who enjoyed watching Trump cause the children of immigrants to have meltdowns in school because they were afraid of coming home to find their parents gone. People who are not only fine with their fellow citizens dying from lack of healthcare, but seem to relish it. People who claim to be for homeless veterans so they can say no to services for anyone else, but when asked to contribute to a group that works with homeless veterans, sudden have empty pockets. People who are openly neo-Nazis and hope to do it better here than the Nazis managed. A billionarie governor that has dragged his feet on expanding healthcare while people are dying. A billionaire governor who was against expanding food assistance in the middle of a pandemic, while people he said weren't hungry lined up for miles for boxes of food. This is what I see every day. But you only seem to rail against the left.

I totally agree about the ugliness of the extreme right. In this particular chat room the ugliness of the extreme left is rarely if ever acknowledged. So, I was simply describing what I've seen happen to the city where I live. And where I live, the extreme left is the problem. Actually, the problem is extremism itself, of both the right and left.

 

[Pickman's model]

I totally agree about the ugliness of the extreme right. In this particular chat room the ugliness of the extreme left is rarely if ever acknowledged. So, I was simply describing what I've seen happen to the city where I live. And where I live, the extreme left is the problem. Actually, the problem is extremism itself, of both the right and left.

It's never your fault, I see

 

[existentialist]

I totally agree about the ugliness of the extreme right. In this particular chat room the ugliness of the extreme left is rarely if ever acknowledged. So, I was simply describing what I've seen happen to the city where I live. And where I live, the extreme left is the problem. Actually, the problem is extremism itself, of both the right and left.

The problem, TomUS, is your perception of anything vaguely left and not utterly obedient as "extreme".

 

[krtek a houby]

I totally agree about the ugliness of the extreme right. In this particular chat room the ugliness of the extreme left is rarely if ever acknowledged. So, I was simply describing what I've seen happen to the city where I live. And where I live, the extreme left is the problem. Actually, the problem is extremism itself, of both the right and left.

If only everyone could just follow your example.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

The problem, TomUS, is your perception of anything vaguely left and not utterly obedient as "extreme".

Oh come off it. I've been here for almost 20 years and so has TomUS, and in all that time I can't say I've noticed anything like this characterisation.

Not that I've been keeping notes, but he's definitley on the left. He's just not a fan of mindless thugs justifying their violence against ordinary citizens by pretending to be saving the world.

 

[hitmouse]

A few updates from Atlanta:

Richard and Lyfe Released on Bond

Summary of Richard and Lyfe's bond hearings, followed by an analysis of the patterns of state repression in Atlanta.

aarc.substack.com

One arrest in connection to Atlanta July 4th protest

On February 25th, Andrew (Drew) Carlisle was arrested in connection to a protest that took place on July 4th, 2020 in Atlanta.

aarc.substack.com

 

[krtek a houby]

He's just not a fan of mindless thugs justifying their violence against ordinary citizens by pretending to be saving the world.

But enough about the filth...

 

[VfromtheG]

mindless thugs justifying their violence against ordinary citizens by pretending to be saving the world.

That's how you think of the civil rights movement is it ?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

That's how you think of the civil rights movement is it ?

It's not a civil rights movement, its a communist movement masquerading as a civil rights movement.

 

[ddraig]

It's not a civil rights movement, its a communist movement masquerading as a civil rights movement.

oh fuck off for fucks sake you fucking fuckwit

 

[Pickman's model]

oh fuck off for fucks sake you fucking fuckwit

i thought - i hoped - he was taking the piss out of tomus

but i see he's not

 

[ddraig]

i think - i hope - he's taking the piss out of tomus

nah

 

[Pickman's model]

nah

hence my edit

 

[VfromtheG]

It's not a civil rights movement, its a communist movement masquerading as a civil rights movement.

Oh dear .

 

[hitmouse]

It's not a civil rights movement, its a communist movement masquerading as a civil rights movement.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's not a civil rights movement, its a communist movement masquerading as a civil rights movement.

Another collaborator. How do you sleep at night?