The IPCC have said today that we've only got 12 years to act to prevent the climate warming by more than 1.5 degrees, which is at the low end of the goal set in the climate achievement. Can we do it? I don't feel hopeful. We haven't had the cultural change to lead individuals to take action and governments definitely don't seem to be acting. I remember when climate change first became big news, or at least I heard about it, in the nineties. We've now started to see more extreme weather events, which I think the science agrees are caused by climate change. I don't know what it will take for humankind to change.
IPCC say 12 years to limit climate change
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cybershot
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12 years ties in with govts plan to get rid of petrol/diesel cars. That may have to be moved further forward.
The only thing that ever works is taxing people through the nose and making things that cause it more expensive and the alternatives more affordable.
Not going to happen in time with all the other shit going on.
The only thing that ever works is taxing people through the nose and making things that cause it more expensive and the alternatives more affordable.
Not going to happen in time with all the other shit going on.
Yuwipi Woman
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Completely and utterly fucked.
That wouldn't be so bad, except we're taking everyone* else with us:
Half the World's Orcas Could Soon Disappear—Here's Why
Blue bird from 'Rio' movie now extinct in the wild - CNN
Eulogy for a seastar, Australia's first recorded marine extinction
* I use the word "everyone" deliberately and in the same way that Buddhism uses the phrase "sentient beings."
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
But with one hell of a suntan.
skyscraper101
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This is all very well but I think they should focus on dealing with police complaints rather than climate change issues.
Well, we're not fucked. I saw something that was widely shared on twitter that was in response to a similar report and it said something like, "if I knew I had to go six times faster to escape a room that was setting on fire and about to flood, I'd be getting my running shoes on". That makes sense, yet, we're not.
Is twelve years just not enough for the changes that need to be made? Or are there other reasons?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
What a time to have a climate-denying lunatic in charge of the whitehouse.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
To give them credit they have raised the alarm. But there is a significant obstacle of 'its all bollocks', a 'conspiracy', hand-wringers etc. How does your average voter get enough of a grasp of the facts/science and what do they do with it? I suppose the first step is getting more clued up, then trying to put more pressure on governments over the next few years. Top down solutions have been noticeably absent. If nothing changes (we carry on as we are) we are indeed likely heading for catastrophe.
I think, reflecting a little bit own my own energy use, that maybe we also just don't know what to do. The invisible hand of the market pulls us to use and consume more at least from what I see around me in this developed country. Do we even know how to fight that?
On another note, I loved what they said about "carbon unicorns"
A bright note in otherwise dire news.
On another note, I loved what they said about "carbon unicorns"
A bright note in otherwise dire news.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
And another one lining up to go on an Amazonian slash and burnfest the minute he gets power in Brazil
Old Gergl
Mountains of the antelope women
My gf did a master's in environmental science a couple of years ago looking at climate change. Having looked at the evidence, she concurs.
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Any single party is electorally terrified of enacting the kind of policies which would start to make the necessary dent. This is a war scenario, so an all-party coalition is worth discussing.
2hats
Dust.
Fear not. Runaway climate feedback loops and mass extinction events should do it.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I'm reminded of a business mantra I heard once: "You can manage change. Or, you can be managed by change."
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Isn't that technically 4 words?
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Starry Wisdom
unleash your inner pedant
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I learnted from teh bestunleash your inner pedant
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Short of executing every oil company/ag conglomerate/plastics executive and their political enablers, the options are limited. Or, you could go spend the next 12 years doing nothing else but planting trees, I guess.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
You could go join the Chinese Army:
China deploys 60,000 soldiers to plant trees in bid to grow 6 million hectares of new forest this year
(good job, btw.).
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
yeah I'm not sure a coalition of national unity or whatever s going to cut it either at this point tbf. Fuckin, this is some american senator:
'Climate change is coming – fast. We must do more to stop it. I introduced the Climate Risk Disclosure Act to encourage markets to transition from fossil fuels to cleaner energy sources, and reduce the risks of environmental and financial catastrophe.'
my bold. These people need head mounting on spikes
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Pity burning at stake frowned on now
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
There is no market-based solution to this, even with an unprecedented level of state interference to load the dice. Consumption must fall, and markets cannot allow that to happen.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
EU: no you can't have that hoover, it uses too much electricity.
Also EU: of course you can have a domestic vehicle with a six litre petrol engine and a top speed of 180mph.
This, in a nutshell, is why we're doomed. Every step taken towards sanity is taken on a train going about mach seven in the opposite direction.
Also EU: of course you can have a domestic vehicle with a six litre petrol engine and a top speed of 180mph.
This, in a nutshell, is why we're doomed. Every step taken towards sanity is taken on a train going about mach seven in the opposite direction.
nuffsaid
But this goes up to 11
Environmentally unfriendly things can get increasingly banned, leaving the market to step in with cleaner solutions.
The market isn't all about consumption, it's about who's prepared to pay what for goods and services, it's about competition, so we can easily price dirty solutions out of the market if we wanted to. The trouble is the greedy buggers who own the oil industry also have the politicians in their pockets and so the dirty solutions aren't penalised anywhere near enough.
Revolution or societal breakdown through environmental catastrophe...take your pick. Either way the planet re-balances, with or without killing a load of humans.
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Crystal Phallus
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Yawn, another piece of scary Alarmist propaganda from the green lobby. Best ignored.
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