Insurance company CEO assassinated in New York

[moochedit]

Ok. So he supported it (or at least claimed to) in 2000 when (i think) he made his first (failed) attempt to run for president.

 

[agricola]

He changed his tune the year after that 2015 debate

After pointing his thumb at Hillary Clinton, he told the audience: “She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada.”

Canadians, he continued, “when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States, in many cases because their system is so slow, it’s catastrophic in certain ways”.

Trump's attack on 'catastrophic' Canadian healthcare system draws ire

Canadians fired back at Trump’s criticisms of their ‘slow’ universal healthcare system with figures on better life expectancy and global rankings than the US

www.theguardian.com

He did, and of course in his first term he did nothing about it. I do think though that the people he sought out this time around are more likely to push for something to be done this time, certainly Rogan has been on about the US healthcare situation (esp drug companies) for several years now.

 

[agricola]

Ok. So he supported it (or at least claimed to) in 2000 when (i think) he made his first (failed) attempt to run for president.

This was 2015/16.

 

[moochedit]

This was 2015/16.

Yes i know but they were talking about what he had said in 2000. Apart from the "it works in scotland" it wasn't really "praise for the nhs" and he was vague about exactly what he wanted to do.

 

[moochedit]

He did, and of course in his first term he did nothing about it. I do think though that the people he sought out this time around are more likely to push for something to be done this time, certainly Rogan has been on about the US healthcare situation (esp drug companies) for several years now.

Even if he wanted to do anything serious about it (which i doubt) i can't see republican senetors voting for it (or many democrats for that matter).

 

[Ax^]

did he not try to tie in to negotiations to allow US healthcare providers access to the NHS drug supply chain and compete against the NHS for treatments as part of his supposed trade deal with Boris


also look up project 2025 nothing within it pages mentions universal healthcare like the nhs

 

[Ax^]

to be fair of all the bullshit trump said about his healthcare plans it always been concepts of a plan..

he and the who maga lot has no idea apart from trying to remove the affordable care act because it colloquial called the Obama care acta and Obama = bad

even if it means cletus passes away due to die of beaties

 

[Petcha]

Back on subject. Some breaking news from the keystone cops of NYC

Thompson’s killer’s bag was described by NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny as “very distinctive,” in a Friday press briefing. “It is huge and gray” he added.

NYPD finds bag possibly belonging to UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s killer

Investigators did not open the bag and sent it straight to the lab for testing.

nypost.com

 

[_Russ_]

I pay more than Yuwipi Woman each month cos I am lucky enough to be earning much more, but that money goes towards all sorts of things like schools, roads, social care, libraries, bombing brown people in distant lands and so on.

I can leave home right now and walk in to any hospital in the U.K. and have anything from a blister popped and bandaged to a full heart & lung transplant, and not once will money be mentioned.

The term ‘Medical Debt’ exists in only one developed country, just one. God Help The USA.

If you think you can just walk into any hospital and have a blister popped or anything else for that matter that isnt immediately life threatning/changing then either you've not had to do such a thing for many years or are leaving out the fact you have private health insurance.

 

[Petcha]

I was once married to an American. When we got married she told her dad he could take her off the family health insurance policy as she was living in the UK and we have the NHS. He didn't believe her. And so kept paying. 'There's no way healthcare is free over there'... He's probably still got her on his policy, 20 years later.

 

[Orang Utan]

If you think you can just walk into any hospital and have a blister popped or anything else for that matter that isnt immediately life threatning/changing then either you've not had to do such a thing for many years or are leaving out the fact you have private health insurance.

You can still get emergency treatment at A&E, you just might be there a while.

 

[Orang Utan]

So what happens in the US if you are severely injured and unconscious and have no documents on you?
Do they save your life anyway and you wake up in debt?

 

[Wilf]

Anyway, is it too early to make this thread Urban's Official Christmas Party Thread?

 

[chilango]

So what happens in the US if you are severely injured and unconscious and have no documents on you?
Do they save your life anyway and you wake up in debt?

You die of freedom.

 

[Ax^]

So what happens in the US if you are severely injured and unconscious and have no documents on you?
Do they save your life anyway and you wake up in debt?

access to medical care at the point of need is communism.. so you die a true patriot

 

[spitfire]

Some people have no sense of public responsibility

Why top internet sleuths say they won't help find the UnitedHealthcare CEO killer

TikTok users who would normally leap at the chance to identify an alleged criminal are standing down during the manhunt for the killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.nbcnews.com

internet 'sleuths'

This is sick.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So what happens in the US if you are severely injured and unconscious and have no documents on you?
Do they save your life anyway and you wake up in debt?

Yes.

British person I knew in the US with no insurance broke his leg badly in a motorbike accident. Had one of those cages fitted to his leg with screws to hold it together. They told him he would have to start paying the bills he had accumulated before they would unscrew him. Flew back to the UK with the screws still in place and had them taken out here. I lost touch with him after that, but if he ever returned to the US, he would have that medical debt still waiting for him.

 

[weltweit]

If the police go to the insurance company and ask for a list of policy holders who were denied payments, would that be a massive list?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Mine too - which is scary.

You need to claim asylum in Britain Yuwipi Woman

The really crazy thing is that it will drop to about $200 a month once I reach 65 and I've eligible for Medicare.

I pay more than Yuwipi Woman each month cos I am lucky enough to be earning much more, but that money goes towards all sorts of things like schools, roads, social care, libraries, bombing brown people in distant lands and so on.

I can leave home right now and walk in to any hospital in the U.K. and have anything from a blister popped and bandaged to a full heart & lung transplant, and not once will money be mentioned.

The term ‘Medical Debt’ exists in only one developed country, just one. God Help The USA.

The scary thing in the US, is that I choose the most bare-bones insurance I could get. If I went with better insurance the premiums would only go up from there. I looked at a Blue Cross Blue Shield bronze-level policy and it would have run me $1,550 a month, with a $7,500 deductible. There are also silver and gold policies that are much more. At least if I was younger, I could get a bronze policy for $650. Since I'm older I'm charged more. In the US most people I know look forward to being 65 because Medicare kicks in and your premiums go down to $200 or so. Turning 65 have saved many people from being bankrupted by insurance premiums. Naturally, the elites want to do away with Medicare.

 

[Wilf]

If you think you can just walk into any hospital and have a blister popped or anything else for that matter that isnt immediately life threatning/changing then either you've not had to do such a thing for many years or are leaving out the fact you have private health insurance.

Blisters aside, that's just plain wrong.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

So what happens in the US if you are severely injured and unconscious and have no documents on you?
Do they save your life anyway and you wake up in debt?

Yes, but they bankrupt you later. If you need chemo or have something chronic like Lupus, you're screwed.

 

[Wilf]

If the police go to the insurance company and ask for a list of policy holders who were denied payments, would that be a massive list?

Global warming would certainly go up a notch if they printed the list out.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If the police go to the insurance company and ask for a list of policy holders who were denied payments, would that be a massive list?

Millions.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Blisters aside, that's just plain wrong.

Yep. You see the triage nurse. They assess the urgency. If you're not urgent, you wait. But you will be seen.

That's the system. I'm not sure how an A&E could work other than like that.

 

[Serge Forward]

An oldie but a goodie...

 

[Serge Forward]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes, but they bankrupt you later. If you need chemo or have something chronic like Lupus, you're screwed.

Yeah and everything is costed, isn't it? At ludicrous prices. They give you a paracetemol and it goes on your bill.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If you think you can just walk into any hospital and have a blister popped or anything else for that matter that isnt immediately life threatning/changing then either you've not had to do such a thing for many years or are leaving out the fact you have private health insurance.

I don't have private health insurance. The last time my gouty foot flared up to unbearable pain levels about 6 months ago my doctor was shut, I got a cab to A&E, hobbled through, was triaged within 10 mins, seen 30 mins after that and waited at the pharmacy for 30 mins for my meds. It wasn't a busy day, there was a sign on the door saying >6 hour wait, apparently that was put up the day before and was left up by mistake. Whilst that was a quick trip ~3 hours for something like that is about the norm, which ain't bad at all.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes.

British person I knew in the US with no insurance broke his leg badly in a motorbike accident. Had one of those cages fitted to his leg with screws to hold it together. They told him he would have to start paying the bills he had accumulated before they would unscrew him. Flew back to the UK with the screws still in place and had them taken out here. I lost touch with him after that, but if he ever returned to the US, he would have that medical debt still waiting for him.

A friend of mine once got ill with breathing issues when out in LA and checked in to ER. He was fully covered by his work insurance, but some supreme fuckup led to this being denied by his insurer, so he checked out, finished his business/holiday in the US, and went to his doctors on his return who immediately sent him to A&E as he had pneumonia. He got a ticking off from the doctor for flying in such condition (as I think it’s quite risky to have lung problems in a pressurised cabin), but he didn’t really have any other option. (Well, apart from cutting short his trip and coming home immediately, which he really should have done. But he wanted to drive to New Orleans first. So he did. )

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't have private health insurance. The last time my gouty foot flared up to unbearable pain levels about 6 months ago my doctor was shut, I got a cab to A&E, hobbled through, was triaged within 10 mins, seen 30 mins after that and waited at the pharmacy for 30 mins for my meds. It wasn't a busy day, there was a sign on the door saying >6 hour wait, apparently that was put up the day before and was left up by mistake. Whilst that was a quick trip ~3 hours for something like that is about the norm, which ain't bad at all.

Just don't have an accident on a Friday/Saturday night!