Identity Politics: the impasse, the debate, the thread.

[DaveCinzano]

Intersectionally destabilising countries, toppling governments, coopting opposition movements, neutralising threats to capital, assassinating union leaders, running guns and trafficking drugs

 

[DaveCinzano]

Hydrotherapeutically interviewing key in-demand outreach subjects globally since 1947

 

[Shechemite]

 

[Athos]

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Loooooollllllll!

 

[Shechemite]

Lots of tweets responding that complaining it’s a ‘misuse’ of intersectionality. That’s the real lol

 

[BillRiver]

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Pinkwashing.

Grim, always.

 

[splonkydoo]

The outrage on twitter this week was about how this map/image 'centres' Irish people and is therefore totally unacceptable to use.
Can you fucking imagine? These people lack basic ideas about solidarity and human empathy.

 

[maomao]

The outrage on twitter this week was about how this map/image 'centres' Irish people and is therefore totally unacceptable to use.
Can you fucking imagine? These people lack basic ideas about solidarity and human empathy.

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I don't understand the word 'centres' in this context. And have no wish to sully myself with Twitter. Any chance of explaining?

 

[splonkydoo]

I don't understand the word 'centres' in this context. And have no wish to sully myself with Twitter. Any chance of explaining?

It's most often used in terms of racism, and in how white people can often centre the discussion about it around themselves instead of those actually affected.

 

[BillRiver]

What is gained by placing it on a map of Ireland instead of a map of Palestine?

 

[splonkydoo]

centers.... ignore my typo

 

[splonkydoo]

What is gained by placing it on a map of Ireland instead of a map of Palestine?

Do you want to guess why?

 

[BillRiver]

Do you want to guess why?

No I want someone to tell me. That's why I asked.

 

[splonkydoo]

No I want someone to tell me. That's why I asked.

Surely you can think of at least one reason.

 

[splonkydoo]

OK, maybe I am being mean. The idea is to relate what has happened to a context and geography that people are intimately familiar with. It can make the issue much more vivid, especially if one was unaware or less educated of the Palestinian struggle in general.

Maybe you are getting tied up with relating it to some wider point, but if you are resident/from Ireland I think it is a decent graphic to draw attention and I have zero idea why people would have an issue with it.

 

[BillRiver]

I have zero idea why people would have an issue with it.

Do you want to guess why?

Surely you can think of at least one reason...

Perhaps ask those who have an issue with it, why they do?

 

[Idris2002]

Edward Said's comment on the Oslo accords was "it was as if Michael Collins had settled for Cork city and Donegal".

 

[hitmouse]

New York cops are not happy about the decision to ban NYPD from commemorating the Stonewall Riots:

“Heritage of Pride is well aware that the city would not allow a large scale event to occur without police presence. So their response to activist pressure is to take the low road by preventing their fellow community members from celebrating their identities and honoring the shared legacy of the Stonewall Riots,” says GOAL President Brian Downey. He continues: “It is demoralizing that Heritage of Pride didn’t have the courage to refer to GOAL by name in its announcement, referring to us only as ‘Law Enforcement Exhibitors.’ The label is not only offensive but dehumanizing for our members.”

 

[Smokeandsteam]

60% of British people don’t know what ‘woke’ means. I think it’s fair to suggest a similar number don’t care.

A further reminder for those engaged in, or exercised by, the ‘culture war’ that it’s a game played between two sides - both directly counterposed to our interests - who should be roundly opposed and exposed. Note also the low score for those ‘who are left wing’...

 

[krtek a houby]

60% of British people don’t know what ‘woke’ means. I think it’s fair to suggest a similar number don’t care.

A further reminder for those engaged in, or exercised by, the ‘culture war’ that it’s a game played between two sides - both directly counterposed to our interests - who should be roundly opposed and exposed. Note also the low score for those ‘who are left wing’...

Please excuse ignorance; who should be opposed and exposed? Woke folk or volk folk? Both?

Am on other sites where right wingers conflate antifa/socialism/Marxism/BLM/liberalism/pro-Palestinian/pro-LGBT rights with being "woke".

Apologies if have read your statement incorrectly.

 

[Shechemite]

Is Irish nationalism woke or volk krtek a houby?

 

[krtek a houby]

Is Irish nationalism woke or volk krtek a houby?

Good question.

If you mean the struggle for a 32 county socialist (and inclusive) Republic, as opposed to a small but vocal number of far right Irish nationalists?

It's entirely legitimate.

 

[butchersapron]

If you think the incorporation of NI into a EU rules based ireland is or will lead to a socialist republic then you're clearly back on the glue.

 

[Idris2002]

Mmmmm. Glue.

The cause of, and solution to, all life's problems.

 

[PTK]

If you think the incorporation of NI into a EU rules based ireland is or will lead to a socialist republic then you're clearly back on the glue.

Can there be a socialist republic in one country?

 

[krtek a houby]

Can there be a socialist republic in one country?

When Ireland is reunited, it's certainly a hope.

 

[splonkydoo]

If you think the incorporation of NI into a EU rules based ireland is or will lead to a socialist republic then you're clearly back on the glue.

The provo-trots are at it agin..

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Can there be a socialist republic in one country?

Hmmnn. Socialism in one country. I'm surprised no-one ever suggested that before.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you think the incorporation of NI into a EU rules based ireland is or will lead to a socialist republic then you're clearly back on the glue.

I suspect most people assume a 32 co state will just be a larger 26 co one, that the precedent would be the two Germanies.

 

[butchersapron]

I suspect most people assume a 32 co state will just be a larger 26 co one, that the precedent would be the two Germanies.

I fear that you may be being too generous is assuming that they have thought about in that detail. It's just green rhetoric mostly.