I need a tent but I detest camping - what shall I get?
- Thread starter Orang Utan
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You wouldn't be able to sleep al fresco in the day time though
still wanky tents though 
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
Why not? A tent isn't that much less afresco. False sense of security imho.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Sunburn, weeing dogs, children, lack of dignity and privacy. SUNLIGHT!! Impossible conditions for kip
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
If you can keep it dry a down sleeping bag will give far more warmth to weight.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I'll repeat two doors are vital if you want to sleep during the day in summer.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What's your budget? And when do you need them by?
Personally I wouldn't go for either of those.
Depending how much you can spend I can suggest alternatives?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
...and pack a lot smaller.
mr steev
magic thought wizard
Bollockspop up tents are ace for festivals. You can pop it up and have a spliff while watching everyone else putting their tents up
and then, a few days later, everyone else can sit and have a spliff whilst laughing at you trying to twist and wrestle it back into it's bag
If you tie one or two of those silver emergency blankets over your tent it will help to keep the inside cool.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Go ahead! I don't have large budget though.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
If you can stretch to around a hundred for a tent I'd go with the Wild Country Zephyros. Either the 1 man I linked to above or the slightly bigger and heavier 2 man. http://www.fieldandtrek.com/wild-country-zephyros-2-tent-783174. Both will pack smaller and lighter than the Coleman and will be significantly higher quality. Wild Country also have the Coshee for a £100. Which is still under 2kg. It's a new tent though so I know little about it.
Tesco occasionally have a down sleeping bag for about £30 that gets rave reviews. Failing that a decent down bag will cost a fair bit.
I'll have a quick look now for you...
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
http://www.blacks.co.uk/equipment/62003836-blacks-quantum-down-sleeping-bag-orange.html
A down bag for £90 from Blacks.
20 quid more will get you the excellent Skyehigh from Alpkit.
http://www.alpkit.com/shop/cart.php?target=product&product_id=16320&category_id=286
A down bag for £90 from Blacks.
20 quid more will get you the excellent Skyehigh from Alpkit.
http://www.alpkit.com/shop/cart.php?target=product&product_id=16320&category_id=286
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
If you can't spend that much and are only camping on warmer nights this Marmot bag looks good.
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/marmot-wave-o-reg-sleeping-bag-82110037?id_colour=151
Half price at £35. Marmot kit is usually top notch.
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/marmot-wave-o-reg-sleeping-bag-82110037?id_colour=151
Half price at £35. Marmot kit is usually top notch.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Are down sleeping bags very light? I think I read somewhere that they can suffer a bit from being rolled up, like the down collects in the creases and it makes them less effective. I chose that one on amazon because it seemed like the most compact.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Or if it's colder there's a warmer Marmot for 50.
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/marmot-wave-ii-sleeping-bag-82310050?id_colour=133
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/marmot-wave-ii-sleeping-bag-82310050?id_colour=133
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Very light.
Very compressible.
You're supposed to stuff them into their stuff sac, not roll them. Shouldn't be stored compressed though. Eventually their "loft" can be damaged if you do that.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
A down bag will be warmer, weigh less, squash smaller and last longer than a equivalent synthetic bag.
But will cost more and need more looking after.
You can't just stick it in the washing machine, so you need to be careful not to dirty it too much, use a sleeping bag liner inside.
It should be stored "unstuffed". You usually get a big cotton bag to store it in. If you kept it compressed eventually the down loses is ability to "puff up" or loft.
Unlike synthetic down loses most of its insulation quality when wet, and the down inside can also "clump" and be damaged when wet.
A synthetic bag will be cheaper, heavier, bulkier and have a shorter life, but you can be a lot more carefree with it.
But will cost more and need more looking after.
You can't just stick it in the washing machine, so you need to be careful not to dirty it too much, use a sleeping bag liner inside.
It should be stored "unstuffed". You usually get a big cotton bag to store it in. If you kept it compressed eventually the down loses is ability to "puff up" or loft.
Unlike synthetic down loses most of its insulation quality when wet, and the down inside can also "clump" and be damaged when wet.
A synthetic bag will be cheaper, heavier, bulkier and have a shorter life, but you can be a lot more carefree with it.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Reliably good brands for sleeping bags:
Rab
Mountain Equipment
Mountain Hardwear
Marmot
Mammut
Snugpack are pretty good at the cheaper end of the spectrum.
I've a really old Snugpack synthetic for hot weather, an old Marmot down bag that I've trashed, and the Alpkit Pipedream which is superb. If I had the money though I'd get one fom these guys...
http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/sleepingbags.php?cat=26
Rab
Mountain Equipment
Mountain Hardwear
Marmot
Mammut
Snugpack are pretty good at the cheaper end of the spectrum.
I've a really old Snugpack synthetic for hot weather, an old Marmot down bag that I've trashed, and the Alpkit Pipedream which is superb. If I had the money though I'd get one fom these guys...
http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/sleepingbags.php?cat=26
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I had one of these (noth face blue kazoo) and slept in the middle of winter in a cave high up on a mountain in the Lakes. Warm as you like.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Also add in cumulus. Top notch bags, not as ball achingly pricey as PHD.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
You tried Cumulus? What are they like? Heard mixed reports...
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
I used to have a PHD bag till it got nicked in 2009. It was great, but for the money it'd have cost to replace it, I bought 2 Quantum 350s. 4 years of use later, and I've got no complaints at all. Extremely toasty but light & packable bag well suited to weight conscious bikepacking/backpacking/whatever. It's also the first serious 4 season bag I've had that will zip together with a second bag. If you want a ludicrously cosy night high up a mountain in a freezing gale, two proper mummy bags zipped up as a double with a suitable person to cuddle up to as a hot water bottle is just a lovely experience*. It's also damned useful if you want to take very young sprogs camping, as they are a lot less prone to getting spooked by night time noises in the wild if they're cuddled into you in the same bag.
Please note though, I'm a warm sleeper anyway. I'd say cumulus probably stretch their recommended temperature bands about 5 degrees lower than PHD, but no more than RAB or ME.
*second body not supplied with bag, some bodies may be more tempting to cuddle than others, some bodies may be stubbly rather than fluffy.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Saffy
Under the duvet..
We've got a Quechua 'pup tent' which my daughter uses in Spain. It's pretty good, we've never had days of rain but it did hold up to a pretty spectacular storm the other year though.
