For the avoidance of all doubt, the number 1 job of senior management is making sure that someone is accountable for the stuff which needs to happen.
So if no one is accountable - senior management are.
Hundreds of Post Office workers ‘vindicated’ by High Court ruling over faulty Post Office IT system
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For the avoidance of all doubt, the number 1 job of senior management is making sure that someone is accountable for the stuff which needs to happen.
So if no one is accountable - senior management are.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Bit of an HR edit there
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I am appalled, absolutely appalled, that someone somewhere in the post office thinks that opposing the exonerations is in any way feasible for them, never mind being a good idea.
I have no words.
I have no words.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
TBH, I've got a bit of a problem with the idea of bulk exoneration, although I suspect the PO's view is more about stringing things out as long as possible.
Already, there are people going "harrumph, if they just void all the convictions, that means GUILTY PEOPLE WILL GET OFF", and my fear would be that these convictions would not be perceived as having truly been overturned. Perhaps those perceptions don't really count, but my take on it is that, if the "system" has been able to devote considerable resources to convicting these people in the first place, it should bloody well devote whatever resources it takes to UNconvict them.
Perhaps we should offer the choice to the SPMs - "we can vacate your conviction via the bulk process, but if you prefer to see your case dealt with individually in court, we will do that, too, at no cost to you".
And then there's the question of compensation - this penny-pinching approach currently being brought HAS to be abandoned, and these people need to be indemnified, as far as possible, against the costs, suffering, and losses they incurred as a result of these awful prosecutions. That is going to be a HUGE bill, and one which could quite likely bankrupt POL. So be it - another example of what happens when you privatise things.
And, of course, the PO needs to be stripped of its ability to bring private prosecutions, and their investigations operations brought under independent scrutiny.
Oh, and there needs to be criminal prosecutions against those in POL (especially senior executives) who, either through malice, neglect, or incompetence, allowed this to happen in the first place, and go on so long.
Already, there are people going "harrumph, if they just void all the convictions, that means GUILTY PEOPLE WILL GET OFF", and my fear would be that these convictions would not be perceived as having truly been overturned. Perhaps those perceptions don't really count, but my take on it is that, if the "system" has been able to devote considerable resources to convicting these people in the first place, it should bloody well devote whatever resources it takes to UNconvict them.
Perhaps we should offer the choice to the SPMs - "we can vacate your conviction via the bulk process, but if you prefer to see your case dealt with individually in court, we will do that, too, at no cost to you".
And then there's the question of compensation - this penny-pinching approach currently being brought HAS to be abandoned, and these people need to be indemnified, as far as possible, against the costs, suffering, and losses they incurred as a result of these awful prosecutions. That is going to be a HUGE bill, and one which could quite likely bankrupt POL. So be it - another example of what happens when you privatise things.
And, of course, the PO needs to be stripped of its ability to bring private prosecutions, and their investigations operations brought under independent scrutiny.
Oh, and there needs to be criminal prosecutions against those in POL (especially senior executives) who, either through malice, neglect, or incompetence, allowed this to happen in the first place, and go on so long.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The Post Office hasn't been privatised, its single shareholder is the government, so they will pick up the bill, paid for by us, of course.
It's the Royal Mail that was privatised.
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The post office’s annual revenue is less than a billion quid, profit was 42 million.
There are apparently 4000 affected sub postmasters.
This means the post office is probably worth a couple of hundred million maximum.
If the government wasn’t bailing them out they’d be bankrupt already.
Alex
There are apparently 4000 affected sub postmasters.
This means the post office is probably worth a couple of hundred million maximum.
If the government wasn’t bailing them out they’d be bankrupt already.
Alex
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
To those who suffered I would wager that they no longer do, they have already lived for years as convicted criminals, suffered that stigma for the best part of their lives, been financially ruined for the best part of their lives and so on. Just wipe the convictions ASAP and give MASSIVE compo NOW, whilst they can still enjoy it.
And who cares if the odd guilty postmaster goes free, is anyone seriously expecting Vennells and so on to get banged up? Their crimes are FAR greater than nicking a few quid, these fuckers systematically set out to destroy 1000's of lives to protect a system they knew was borked, yet not an oat of porridge shall be eaten.
Functionally the same - not even equivalent
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Ah yes. Oops. Well, I guess the point stands - this is going to cost a lot of money which, whoever has to pay it, they would really rather not.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Won't somebody think of the shareholders (sobs)?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
You pays your money, you takes your risk. I didn't see too many shareholders clamouring for POL to treat its staff better...
hash tag
Books, not bombs
I see Vennells has been stripped of her CBE
BBC News - Ex-Post Office boss Paula Vennells stripped of CBE
BBC News - Ex-Post Office boss Paula Vennells stripped of CBE
Ex-Post Office boss Paula Vennells stripped of CBE
The former chief executive has forfeited the honour following the Horizon IT scandal.
www.bbc.co.uk
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Good.I see Vennells has been stripped of her CBE
BBC News - Ex-Post Office boss Paula Vennells stripped of CBE
Ex-Post Office boss Paula Vennells stripped of CBE
The former chief executive has forfeited the honour following the Horizon IT scandal.www.bbc.co.uk
We are the shareholders
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think that's the state; we the taxpayers merely pay for it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes, because if we had been shareholders, we might have had a say. <cough>
We get a say every 5 ish years and as a demos keep voting for clowns
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
IK,R?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
"I know, right?"
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It was a tongue in cheek comment.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Post Office hires ex-police to check its investigators in Horizon scandal
The Post Office says the team will look into allegations that have emerged during a public inquiry.
www.bbc.co.uk
Badenoch and Staunton can't both be telling the truth, one must be telling an outright lie, there's no wiggle room there.
More from Henry Staunton.
Former Post Office chair claims he is victim of ‘smear campaign’ led by Kemi Badenoch
Henry Staunton stands by his allegations against the government and turns on Post Office CEO in dramatic day of evidence to MPs
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
More from Henry Staunton.
Former Post Office chair claims he is victim of ‘smear campaign’ led by Kemi Badenoch
Henry Staunton stands by his allegations against the government and turns on Post Office CEO in dramatic day of evidence to MPswww.theguardian.com
TBH, I am more inclined to believe Staunton, for all that he might have plenty of motive to stick the knife in, than the rank of ne'er-do-wells, posturing culture warriors, and deeply vested interests that are ranged against him.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Same here, and that seems to be the view of the sub-postmasters too.
teqniq
DisMembered
Barrister should be struck off at the very least:
'Damaging' testimony withheld from pregnant postmistress trial
'Damaging' testimony withheld from pregnant postmistress trial
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Warwick Tatford should be doing years of bird for perverting the course of justice, yet one measly apology seems to be the end of it... The sorry tale of Warwick Tatford
Yossarian
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Yep, sounds like he deserves punishment even more severe than having to go through life with the name Warwick Tatford
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