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Makes no sense. Euston will just look like a moth balled building site. They’ve cleared loads of building for what?
HS2 high-speed London-Birmingham route rail project - discussion
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ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Er, am I getting this right?
The one hour in time saved getting the HS2 from london to Manchester (for instance) will easily be squandered getting across to the west london starting point and waiting / changing for a train from there?
The one hour in time saved getting the HS2 from london to Manchester (for instance) will easily be squandered getting across to the west london starting point and waiting / changing for a train from there?
blossie33
trailer trash
This was the IanVisits blog view this week...
....and his earlier page on Old Oak Common ...
Will HS2 be cut back from central London?
There are reports this morning that the High Speed 2 railway may be cut back and the central London terminus at Euston cancelled, or at best, seriously delayed.
www.ianvisits.co.uk
....and his earlier page on Old Oak Common ...
See inside HS2’s new Old Oak Common railway station
One of London's largest construction sites can be found at Old Oak Common in west London, where a huge new railway station is being built.
www.ianvisits.co.uk
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There is possibly a reasonable argument to be made, to have OOC as the terminus, because running to Euston doesn't actually give you loads of extra connectivity. But that would only make sense designed in from the outset - you can't just change your mind halfway through... a terminus station is fundamentally a different thing to a through station and as the Ianvisits article points out it wouldn't have enough platforms. Unless the trains somehow ran onwards to a turnback location beyond.
Euston is already a bit of an unsatisfactory compromise - ideally HS2 would have been connected to HS1 or at least share a terminus. Having HS2 and Euston "classic" share a station doesn't give you lots of useful direct connection opportunities because they both serve similar destinations.
Euston is already a bit of an unsatisfactory compromise - ideally HS2 would have been connected to HS1 or at least share a terminus. Having HS2 and Euston "classic" share a station doesn't give you lots of useful direct connection opportunities because they both serve similar destinations.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
I've obviously not been following this closely enough. I didn't know the plan was never to get it to connect to Hs1 or share a terminus.
My god it's such a mess. . . . and they knew it would be from the start.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes, if you want to go from Manchester to Paris you'll have to do a tube transfer or walk from Euston to St Pancras. And I'm sure a lot of people will instead opt to get off at Old Oak Common and use the handy link from there to Heathrow.
(Doesn't mean I don't think HS2 is still worthwhile doing though - its primary benefit is increased capacity on the UK rail network, not speed or connectivity.)
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Yeah, that element of it is a bit screwy. I wonder why they couldn't do St Pancras. Because it was more important to use the only vacant site for a bogus public space and a Waitrose? Or because they couldn't get the lines to run there?
You can walk between the stations (probably a similar amount of time to the hop on the tube), but only if you are able to walk and don't have too much luggage
You can walk between the stations (probably a similar amount of time to the hop on the tube), but only if you are able to walk and don't have too much luggage
This will only happen once 99% of the costs of faster running have been incurred.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I think a link line was investigated (ie one that bypassed Euston and St Pancras but would allow direct running between HS1 and HS2) but eventually rejected due to cost and I think objections about disruption in the Camden area during construction.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
jeremy hunt says a lot of things
T & P
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I might try so slide a crispy £20 note into his pocket to see if he'll have it terminate it in South London instead. Worth a shot.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
I guess they were testing reaction by putting out the cheaper option story and now decided against it.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Not sure that's a big enough bribe
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Probably no one ever thought it would get off the ground, these things seem designed to siphon of £millions in consultancy and leave it there. If a bridge that doesn't actually cross the river cost £50m in fees, HS2 must have been £BNs, and that's the point of these things. Imagine everyone was a bit fucking shocked when it actually got the go ahead, the last thing they wanted to happen!
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
If only they hadn't built that pesky library between Euston and Kings Cross. That's where the Hs2 station should have gone.
Nothing spoils a nice construction project like builders.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Terminus stations are passé anyway.
Instead of trying to get to Euston, should have built Crossrail with 4 tracks, two of them for HS trains, linked to HS2 at Old Oak Common and HS1 somewhere near Stratford.
There are all sorts of issues, to do with border controls and so on, with running domestic HS trains on through the Channel Tunnel, but even if you needed to physically change trains it could happen at somewhere like Ebbsfleet or Ashford where space is not at such a premium as it is in London.
Instead of trying to get to Euston, should have built Crossrail with 4 tracks, two of them for HS trains, linked to HS2 at Old Oak Common and HS1 somewhere near Stratford.
There are all sorts of issues, to do with border controls and so on, with running domestic HS trains on through the Channel Tunnel, but even if you needed to physically change trains it could happen at somewhere like Ebbsfleet or Ashford where space is not at such a premium as it is in London.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Apparently Old Oak was due to be the terminus for 3-4 years but it’ll likely be more like 9-10.
HS2 is basically shrodingers railway. If there’s a reason the UK isn’t productive it’s because we can’t build anything.
Apart from roads, if this route was a road it’d be built well before I was due to retire.
HS2 is basically shrodingers railway. If there’s a reason the UK isn’t productive it’s because we can’t build anything.
Apart from roads, if this route was a road it’d be built well before I was due to retire.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Terminus stations impact on frequency due to dwell time, i also saw somewhere it should run through to Gatwick
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Dwell time plus the fact that departing trains conflict with arriving ones.
Here's £105m to get you started on design work at Euston that got scrapped before a brick was laid
£105m Euston HS2 station design work ‘can no longer be used’, DfT admits
The Department for Transport (DfT) has revealed 'significant elements' of original design work on HS2's Euston station 'can no longer be used' after the decision was taken to scale back the Grimshaw-led scheme
www.architectsjournal.co.uk
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Apparently not as bad as trains conflicting with each other everywhere else, hence them abolishing the circleness of the circle line.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
The reasoning behind avoiding circular metro lines, which you appear to have a poor understanding of, does not run contrary to favouring through over terminus stations in locations with high traffic and limited space.
T & P
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To be fair, it’s probably unrealistic to expect a convenient mega station hub hosting all major routes in and out of the city in a major metropolis like London. In plenty of other big cities with radial networks like Paris or Madrid, you will often have to travel to a different mainline station to connect to some other routes, and that’s what.
What would have been completely unacceptable is to have your flagship long distance route terminate not in the heart of a city but in a largely useless and highly inconvenient suburbia stop. But it sounds as if the government read the room earlier today after the reports about Old Oak Common first came out, and did a swift 180, so at least that farcical scenario is hopefully put to bed for good.
What would have been completely unacceptable is to have your flagship long distance route terminate not in the heart of a city but in a largely useless and highly inconvenient suburbia stop. But it sounds as if the government read the room earlier today after the reports about Old Oak Common first came out, and did a swift 180, so at least that farcical scenario is hopefully put to bed for good.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Awkward if you happen to be travelling to Euston, but for many bits of London changing to the Elizabeth Line at Old Oak is probably quicker, anyway.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
I'm not sure where old oak common is, but, it does look like it will be quite big.
See inside HS2’s new Old Oak Common railway station
One of London's largest construction sites can be found at Old Oak Common in west London, where a huge new railway station is being built.
www.ianvisits.co.uk
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
But now falls into the category of 'Too much has been spent to cancel it now'.
In my view, a new highspeed passenger line was never needed, a new dedicated freight line was.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
It’s on your right as you come out of Paddington, roughly opposite Wormwood Scrubs. Just after you pass the Hitachi North Pole depot on the left you’ll see it on the rightI'm not sure where old oak common is, but, it does look like it will be quite big.
See inside HS2’s new Old Oak Common railway station
One of London's largest construction sites can be found at Old Oak Common in west London, where a huge new railway station is being built.www.ianvisits.co.uk
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