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How will the night tube affect Brixton?

Isn't it the case that the tube used to run all night? I'm thinking a long time ago.

I seem to remember (about 1974) watching a documentary on a young homeless girl in London. When she had nowhere to stay, she used to get on the circle line and sleep on it all night. Memory can play tricks, but this seems reasonably vivid.
 
isvicthere? said:
Isn't it the case that the tube used to run all night? I'm thinking a long time ago.

I seem to remember (about 1974) watching a documentary on a young homeless girl in London. When she had nowhere to stay, she used to get on the circle line and sleep on it all night. Memory can play tricks, but this seems reasonably vivid.
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memory can play vivid tricks too
 
isvicthere? said:
Isn't it the case that the tube used to run all night? I'm thinking a long time ago.

I seem to remember (about 1974) watching a documentary on a young homeless girl in London. When she had nowhere to stay, she used to get on the circle line and sleep on it all night. Memory can play tricks, but this seems reasonably vivid.
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Maybe you're thinking of the The Bed-Sitting Room (go to 0.51)

 
editor said:
I haven't heard them all screaming out for an automated, driverless tube service, with all the mass redundancies that would accompany such a move. Perhaps you're all for it though. I'm not.
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I haven't heard travellers on the DLR or even the largely automated Victoria line crying out for automation to be shut off and traditional driver trains to be reinstated. Perhaps that is because what's important to them is being delivered where they want to go safely and automation has increased capacity making travelling more comfortable (relative, of course, to what it would be like with less capacity).

Perhaps every time you make a call on your mobile phone you yearn for the good old days when every call had the human touch and all the jobs it created?
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editor said:
I haven't heard them all screaming out for an automated, driverless tube service, with all the mass redundancies that would accompany such a move. Perhaps you're all for it though. I'm not.
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Can't let this go. I'm all for people doing jobs people are better at and machines doing jobs machines are better at. Driving trains is a job that machines can almost certainly do better than people now; driving cars soon will be. Interacting with people is something people do better but we have devalued it so bartenders and shop assistants - and most egregiously in my opinion care workers - in our economy are some of the lowest of the low. On the tube, drivers are higher in the hierarchy (and, I believe, paid more) than platform assistants. It won't happen, unfortunately, but when drivers are replaced on trains and buses they should be *promoted* to the job of platform assistant.
 
Rushy said:
Perhaps every time you make a call on your mobile phone you yearn for the good old days when every call had the human touch and all the jobs it created?
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Ah, it's going to be one of those silly days.

The entire tube network is not currently able to operate automatically, and while I may appreciate the extra reliability that may come with such a service, I won't be gleefully celebrating the mass loss of jobs that will accompany such an 'upgrade' (or expecting any reduction in ticket prices, as I've no doubt those at the top will continue to trouser a disproportionate share).
 
editor said:
Ah, it's going to be one of those silly days.
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If by silly you mean people publicly disagreeing with your views as expressed on a public board, then quite possibly.

editor said:
The entire tube network is not currently able to operate automatically, and while I may appreciate the extra reliability that may come with such a service, I won't be gleefully celebrating the mass loss of jobs that will accompany such an 'upgrade' (or expecting any reduction in ticket prices, as I've no doubt those at the top will continue to trouser a disproportionate share).
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I don't think anyone will gleefully celebrate a mass loss of jobs (not that gradual automation would result in a mass loss). I do believe they might celebrate winning the argument of whether technologically redundant jobs should be protected at all costs.
 
Rushy said:
If by silly you mean people publicly disagreeing with your views as expressed on a public board, then quite possibly.
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No, I was specifically referring to your infantile strawman. But no matter, let's keep it on topic.
 
Dan U said:
Surely that far underground drivers have a safety role no computer could carry out

Like escorting passengers down lines
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Damn you and your logic!

If a tube carriage caught fire deep down between stations in the Northern Line, I know I'd rather there be a trained human onboard taking charge than an Intel i5.
 
editor said:
Damn you and your logic!

If a tube carriage caught fire deep down between stations in the Northern Line, I know I'd rather there be a trained human onboard taking charge than an Intel i5.
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specially cos there's a chance the i5 had been the cause of the fire.
 
I regularly see people drinking on the orange line overground train. Does the no drinking rule not apply on there?

I'm really looking forward to the night tube. It's really going to open up the city - it's weird that we've never had it before now really.
 
clandestino said:
I regularly see people drinking on the orange line overground train. Does the no drinking rule not apply on there?

I'm really looking forward to the night tube. It's really going to open up the city - it's weird that we've never had it before now really.
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it's going to be interesting, see people from south of the river gawping at the wonders of north london night life.
 
editor said:
Is that what you think the travelling public wants?
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Dunno. I'm travelling public and I do

Hocus Eye. said:
I think that if I find myself on an all night tube train I will want to know that a human being is up front controlling things.
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I can understand people don't like the idea, but as a few have said, automation already exists on a number of lines. And to be fair, I'd probably trust a computer ahead of a human late at night. The DLR for example is has a bloke who opens and closes the doors, but pretty much everything else is by computer
 
boohoo said:
I'd like the 468 and the 196 to not run at the same time. I'd like more room for buggies on the buses and lifts at all train stations.
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Hear hear, comrade. Buses at the mo have space for one wheelchair, so, what, 2 buggies if a wheelchair isn't parked up? As for lifts, that's my dream - a public transport system that's as accessible as possible, not one that's accessible where convenient to TfL. It's ridiculous in this day and age that people have to cart buggies up and down stairs or escalators.
 
editor said:
Is that what you think the travelling public wants?
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The various surveys that ASLEF have done over the years usually show that the travelling public prefer having a human onboard. I'm pretty sure that the surveys that TfL have commissioned over the years have concluded exactly the same, too. :)
 
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