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Given whats happening to the rental market I'd not be surprised if people jumped into housing, I certainly did.


My old flats gone online at last- rental price up 250 month to 1100 for a studio for one.
 
I’m trying to buy one now :D

It doesn’t matter much if it goes down in price if you only own one property. It’s landlords who will want to offload extra properties at the moment.

As I said, if your goal is to buy a property to live in for a while and don’t need a huge mortgage (nobody wants a larger mortgage than the value of the house) it’s of less concern. I’d still give it a few months though unless you get a silly offer accepted. My sister in law has just bought a flat for almost 25% less than the asking price which wasn’t unreasonable to begin with.
 
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i'm not saying people won't buy houses. Just think they'll make low offers, based on their reckons, and that's a very different world to how its been the last many years.
I think it's helpful to think in terms of trends, as it's always possible to find counter-examples, because people are not always as rational as we might think when it comes to stuff like this. But I think there is or will be a downward pressure on prices for reasons like the one you cite. How that translates into actual selling prices remains to be seen.

I remember talking to a remarkably intelligent estate agent when we were selling our first flat, and he said something along the lines of "no property has an innate worth - it is always only worth what a buyer is prepared to pay". And went on to give a few examples of properties which had gone on the market at way-inflated prices which found buyers, and others which were apparently quite reasonably priced, but struggled to sell. Seemingly, entirely down to who happened to show up. Obviously, an attractively-priced property in a buoyant market will tend to have more people happen to show up than an overpriced property in a tight market, which tilts the odds in favour of a sale, but even that is no guarantee.

(We sold that flat (2003) for some 40% over the lowest quote an estate agent gave us, and they were quite appalled at that, saying they were going to have to revise their estimates for that type of property across the board. Personally, I think they didn't pay enough attention to the internal state of the property, which was quite nice once we'd finished with it)..
 
ooh. the 40% possibility is being mentioned by Lloyds bank now.
It’s just journalists turning standard financial institutional scenario testing into some kind of scare piece. You want to see some of the five-year scenarios I run for my insurer — they’d make you become some kind of prepper. Doesn’t mean I give them credibility. The institution needs to understand the impact of large stresses and have an idea of how it will manage them.
 
I agree with you. I think you’d be an idiot to buy a house right now but the fact is, people are still buying them. As existentialist says, if you’re buying the property as a home rather than an investment and don’t need a big mortgage, short term price drops aren’t going to be a huge concern.
You answered it in the second part of the paragraph. Most people are just desperate to get out of whatever situation they are in and so if they've managed to get a deposit together they will buy asap.
 
That would obviously feel uncomfortable but in practical terms, being in negative equity doesn't much matter if you aren't trying to sell your house and can afford your mortgage.
i dont really know much about how markets work beyond a bit of common sense, so this is pure conjecture, but assuming what you say is true that describes only a proportion of all buyers. the others will drop out of the market and the only way to bring them back in is to drop prices

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That would obviously feel uncomforatable but in practical terms, being in negative equity doesn't much matter if you aren't trying to sell your house and can afford your mortgage.

This.

If you come off the housing ladder then negative equity would hurt you. If you stay on the ladder then you should be ok. Even if you move house it should be ok.

The main reason a drop in value shouldn’t last long is supply/demand. While there is a shortage of housing stock negative equity shouldn’t last long.

Don’t follow me for advice though. I always seem to buy at the top of a bubble unfortunately :eek:
 
I’m absolutely sure house prices will drop over the next year and I’m also sure that there will be areas of the country and particular market segments for which that drop is dramatic. Overall, though, I suspect that the average change will be small — probably measured at something like a 5-10% decrease (which in truth isn’t really measurable at all because you’re never really comparing like with like when it comes to houses).

What will happen more than anything else is that there will just be a complete dearth of both buyers and sellers. Newcomers to the market will want to wait and see what happens, and they won’t be inspired by the small choice on offer. Meanwhile, downsizers and those selling excess houses will want to wait out the drop. A big part of the later is because almost nobody in this country seems to understand there is a world of investments out there beyond property. That means sellers aren’t seeing the opportunity cost of their decision to hold on and waiting for the property market to rebound.
 
It's possible the small-time landlords selling up will prevent the market freezing entirely. Many of them believed that the poor rent-to-price ratio didn't matter because house prices would always go up. I guess it will be those on interest-only mortgages who will sell up first.

Unfortunately this will cause further problems for the rental market, because people occupy owned houses at lower densities than rented houses, so while a few people will be able to move from the rented sector to ownership, it will overall create a reduction in rental properties per head of renters.
 
It's possible the small-time landlords selling up will prevent the market freezing entirely. Many of them believed that the poor rent-to-price ratio didn't matter because house prices would always go up. I guess it will be those on interest-only mortgages who will sell up first.

Unfortunately this will cause further problems for the rental market, because people occupy owned houses at lower densities than rented houses, so while a few people will be able to move from the rented sector to ownership, it will overall create a reduction in rental properties per head of renters.
yes, rental prices are insane right now, its like a horribly high stakes game of musical chairs with nowhere near enough chairs.
 
yes, rental prices are insane right now, its like a horribly high stakes game of musical chairs with nowhere near enough chairs.
A lot of left housing campaigns have spent a long time saying there is no shortage of houses, that it's just their distribution that's a problem, or empty properties and holiday homes. But it's clear to me that in London there is now a shortage of homes. The population of London has increased by 2 million in twenty years, and 500,000 homes built in that time. It's just not enough. Of course we (a people's government) should appropriate the empty properties, and the properties of landlords who don't do repairs, and we should tax holiday lets to death, but I don't believe it would be enough.
 
Would it be silly to argue that a house price crash is already happening, thanks to cost of living increases, stagnant wages, inflation and so on?

That is, the value of a house, measured in the number of barrels of oil, or tomatoes, you could exchange it for, is already plummeting?
 
I got this flat just before Christmas. Fortunately small mortgage. Having looked at asking prices for similar properties again (cos I'm one of those people now apparently,) I still did alright. Gut feeling is we'll not see a massive house price crash, without it also meaning something quite dire for the wider economy. But who's going to fix the baked in bonkers that is the UK housing market rental and sale sectors anyway.
 
I think you’d be an idiot to buy a house right now but the fact is, people are still buying them.
There will will always be people who have to move - new jobs, divorce, growing families, etc, won't wait till house prices are convenient.

We're looking at moving this year. Hopefully because we are buying and selling, falls or rises hopefully wont make it impossible for us. We hope to make it our final home move (well before the move to the carehome or graveyard) to somewhere that will be more suitable and accessible as we age. No time like the present - we are not getting any younger.

As existentialist says, if you’re buying the property as a home rather than an investment and don’t need a big mortgage, short term price drops aren’t going to be a huge concern.
just dont buy somewhere too small! London prices tanked and everywhere was difficult to sell '88 -93. I knew many couples who bought tiny places in the ridiculous '80s house price bubble, only to split up and be stuck with each other and a debt much bigger than their bedsit. Grim.
 
Would it be silly to argue that a house price crash is already happening, thanks to cost of living increases, stagnant wages, inflation and so on?

That is, the value of a house, measured in the number of barrels of oil, or tomatoes, you could exchange it for, is already plummeting?
Oh, for sure. And (while it’s easy to say this without evidence) it’s exactly how I always expected the “crash” to actually happen. Because it’s all of a one with people not understanding opportunity cost or alternative investments — this idea that “I’ll just sit it out and wait for prices to recover”
 
It matters if you have a mortgage because you pay well over the odds on what it comes to be worth - and then negative equity
The problem with the UK housing market is that only very rarely does the paying well over the odds result in something worth less than you paid for it. Most people will enter the market in the confident expectation that, short term pain apart, the long term benefits will be worth it.

It's only the occasional episodes where the market collapses that have the potential to demonstrate that this illusion is not a law of nature, and people have short memories.

If I were in a position to buy a property, I would not be doing it now.
 
Local estate agent has sent round one of those 'let us sell your house' brochures which I have been idly flicking though and, good heavens, I knew prices had gone mad round here (pretty, coastal Cornwall) with the second home brigade piling in but I had no idea how bad things are. Prime locations with panoramic water views up an average of 80% on 2019. The ones with no water views - up 95% :eek:
 
I live in a four bed maisonette

A local training company just offered me 3600 quid a month for my spare rooms for three months ( 10,800 quid)

They have people who will happily share a room for 600 quid each per month. They said they would even sort out the single beds

Grown adults sharing two to a room

This is fucking unsustainable and insane.
 
I live in a four bed maisonette

A local training company just offered me 3600 quid a month for my spare rooms for three months ( 10,800 quid)

They have people who will happily share a room for 600 quid each per month. They said they would even sort out the single beds

Grown adults sharing two to a room

This is fucking unsustainable and insane.
Happily?
 
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