Hold your nose and vote Labour?
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tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
That's worrying. For a chancellor.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
It's certainly worrying for an aspirant Chancellor belonging to a party that self-describes as a democratic socialist one.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Mussolini said much the same thing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There are no mps atm
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I can think of another Chancellor who said much the same thing, the leader of some sort of workers' party
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Parliament doesn't dissolve until tomorrow. Local MP still having his doors open today, says "emergencies only" after that.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Given that Reeves has confirmed a) Labour will stick to Tory spending limits and b) will not raise taxes and believes that 'in the long term' that taxes should fall, she has effectively confirmed that Labour will be making cuts to public services.
This had been overlooked by a media/political class/influencers who are more interested in Diane Abbot, Sunak getting rained on and national service. However, I cannot ever remember an incoming labour government (even Blair's) fighting a GE pledged to cut public services. I hope Reeves does get put on the spot at some point and made to explain which department budgets will be cut.
The 'rolling back' of the public sector has become so normalised that this isn't newsworthy apparently, but it also tells us that Labour's honeymoon is going to be very short and will end brutally and sharply.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Streeting confirms that under Labour the Drink Me potion antidote will be available on prescription by the NHS
teqniq
DisMembered
Apparently left-leaning MP suspended and there are rumours of others who may be deselected:
E2a:
novaramedia.com
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Lloyd Russell-Moyle Blocked From Standing for Labour | Novara Media
Breaking: Labour party to block Brighton Kemptown MP from standing in the general election.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I see the lp hasn't got the hang of punji sticks
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Apparently left-leaning MP suspended and there are rumours of others who may be deselected:
E2a:
Lloyd Russell-Moyle Blocked From Standing for Labour | Novara Media
Breaking: Labour party to block Brighton Kemptown MP from standing in the general election.
This factional 'night of the long knives' is, of course, exactly what Corbyn should have done to those now wielding power in the party.
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
Yeah, Streeting's 'we will cut NHS waiting times' comes with small print addendum, '....without increasing NHS funding'.
His plan for achieving this seems to be a recycled tory plan:
1) Tell everyone in the NHS they've got to work more and longer shifts than they already do.
2) When that doesn't work, call everyone in the NHS lazy and useless then farm out even more stuff to the dynamic, go-getting private sector.
3) Resign in disgrace after c.18 months in the job and walk straight into a £200,000 p/a, 15 hour a month gig at a private healthcare company.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
gut reaction is to agree, but
while i am not trying to say that corbyn is perfect, he does seem to have some principles, and a respect for things like party rules, conference decisions and the like, rather than taking the 'i am the boss, the rules are whatever i say they are today' approach which seems to be starmer's position.
corbyn did not have the support of the party machine, much of which was hostile. i'm not sure that the left even had a majority - certainly not a strong one - on the NEC
the handful of defections to tinge (or whatever it was called) by right wing labour MPs would have been a lot more substantial and probably wouldn't have blown over quite so quickly.
and the tory press (and i include the BBC in that) would have gone even further to persuade people that corbyn was 'unelectable' / 'stalinist' and so on.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, I think a great deal of that is correct, but basically once the left had the leadership they should have sorted the NEC and the tory faction of the PLP pronto
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i can't remember how the NEC works now, but i have a vague idea that blair stitched it up so that the ordinary party members don't elect much of the NEC? again, a rule change to make the NEC more democratic would have had to get through conference, and don't the NEC (or a sub-committee or something) have a lot of power over what gets to conference?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I really don't know how the party works, but the right are showing how to use trumped up charges to purge their opposing faction.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Christ, I'm pretty sure a good number of my friends will celebrate a Labour victory.
I'll probably still be glad to be rid of the Tories, but at this rate there's feeling less and less of a point.
I'll probably still be glad to be rid of the Tories, but at this rate there's feeling less and less of a point.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They're not really purging the left, they've lurched so far to the right people whose views are to the right of 1970s politicians like callaghan and Healey are now seen as loony leftery
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i'm increasingly glad that voting labour here would be pointless / more use to the tories than anyone else (fairly safe tory seat, lib dems think they have a chance)
if i lived somewhere marginal, i might have to try and decide whether to vote for tory pretending to be labour in order to keep out the far right pretending to be tory...
if i lived somewhere marginal, i might have to try and decide whether to vote for tory pretending to be labour in order to keep out the far right pretending to be tory...
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SE25
1 sec lemme chat about road
Is there a more meaningless term these days?
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