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I even checked the party's 2024 rules; yep they still declare themselves to be a democratic socialist party:

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Rachel Reeves on the news a while back stating the Labour Party is the party of business. That being the case, who is the party of the working person; the Tory's?

Given that Reeves has confirmed a) Labour will stick to Tory spending limits and b) will not raise taxes and believes that 'in the long term' that taxes should fall, she has effectively confirmed that Labour will be making cuts to public services.

This had been overlooked by a media/political class/influencers who are more interested in Diane Abbot, Sunak getting rained on and national service. However, I cannot ever remember an incoming labour government (even Blair's) fighting a GE pledged to cut public services. I hope Reeves does get put on the spot at some point and made to explain which department budgets will be cut.

The 'rolling back' of the public sector has become so normalised that this isn't newsworthy apparently, but it also tells us that Labour's honeymoon is going to be very short and will end brutally and sharply.
 
Given that Reeves has confirmed a) Labour will stick to Tory spending limits and b) will not raise taxes and believes that 'in the long term' that taxes should fall, she has effectively confirmed that Labour will be making cuts to public services.

This had been overlooked by a media/political class/influencers who are more interested in Diane Abbot, Sunak getting rained on and national service. However, I cannot ever remember an incoming labour government (even Blair's) fighting a GE pledged to cut public services. I hope Reeves does get put on the spot at some point and made to explain which department budgets will be cut.

The 'rolling back' of the public sector has become so normalised that this isn't newsworthy apparently, but it also tells us that Labour's honeymoon is going to be very short and will end brutally and sharply.

Yeah, Streeting's 'we will cut NHS waiting times' comes with small print addendum, '....without increasing NHS funding'.

His plan for achieving this seems to be a recycled tory plan:
1) Tell everyone in the NHS they've got to work more and longer shifts than they already do.
2) When that doesn't work, call everyone in the NHS lazy and useless then farm out even more stuff to the dynamic, go-getting private sector.
3) Resign in disgrace after c.18 months in the job and walk straight into a £200,000 p/a, 15 hour a month gig at a private healthcare company.
 
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Certainly looks like even soft left Labour MPs are being nobbled at the last minute by one means or another.
 
This factional 'night of the long knives' is, of course, exactly what Corbyn should have done to those now wielding power in the party.

gut reaction is to agree, but

while i am not trying to say that corbyn is perfect, he does seem to have some principles, and a respect for things like party rules, conference decisions and the like, rather than taking the 'i am the boss, the rules are whatever i say they are today' approach which seems to be starmer's position.

corbyn did not have the support of the party machine, much of which was hostile. i'm not sure that the left even had a majority - certainly not a strong one - on the NEC

the handful of defections to tinge (or whatever it was called) by right wing labour MPs would have been a lot more substantial and probably wouldn't have blown over quite so quickly.

and the tory press (and i include the BBC in that) would have gone even further to persuade people that corbyn was 'unelectable' / 'stalinist' and so on.
 
gut reaction is to agree, but

while i am not trying to say that corbyn is perfect, he does seem to have some principles, and a respect for things like party rules, conference decisions and the like, rather than taking the 'i am the boss, the rules are whatever i say they are today' approach which seems to be starmer's position.

corbyn did not have the support of the party machine, much of which was hostile. i'm not sure that the left even had a majority - certainly not a strong one - on the NEC

the handful of defections to tinge (or whatever it was called) by right wing labour MPs would have been a lot more substantial and probably wouldn't have blown over quite so quickly.

and the tory press (and i include the BBC in that) would have gone even further to persuade people that corbyn was 'unelectable' / 'stalinist' and so on.
Yeah, I think a great deal of that is correct, but basically once the left had the leadership they should have sorted the NEC and the tory faction of the PLP pronto
 
basically once the left had the leadership they should have sorted the NEC

i can't remember how the NEC works now, but i have a vague idea that blair stitched it up so that the ordinary party members don't elect much of the NEC? again, a rule change to make the NEC more democratic would have had to get through conference, and don't the NEC (or a sub-committee or something) have a lot of power over what gets to conference?
 
i can't remember how the NEC works now, but i have a vague idea that blair stitched it up so that the ordinary party members don't elect much of the NEC? again, a rule change to make the NEC more democratic would have had to get through conference, and don't the NEC (or a sub-committee or something) have a lot of power over what gets to conference?
I really don't know how the party works, but the right are showing how to use trumped up charges to purge their opposing faction.
 
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Looks like they're after Apsana as well. She's the one whose abusive ex husband tried to get her deselected and the local Labour Party were pretty ok with that despite it leading to horrendous abuse towards her.
 
Yeah but those folks are the ones people point at and go "yeah but" and if it's just Luke Akehurst MP for Durham South and a million dead eyed lanyards, well it's over.
 
Fucking Akehurst being gifted a safe seat
They include Josh Simons, the director of the Starmerite thinktank Labour Together, in Makerfield; Luke Akehurst, a Labour national executive committee member who was a key organiser against Corbyn’s leadership, in North Durham; Heather Iqbal, a former adviser to Rachel Reeves, in Dewsbury; and Georgia Gould, the leader of Camden council, who will stand in Queen’s Park and Maida Vale. The political journalist Paul Waugh was selected to fight George Galloway in Rochdale
 
i'm increasingly glad that voting labour here would be pointless / more use to the tories than anyone else (fairly safe tory seat, lib dems think they have a chance)

if i lived somewhere marginal, i might have to try and decide whether to vote for tory pretending to be labour in order to keep out the far right pretending to be tory...
 
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