Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
A new dawn has broken....
Hold your nose and vote Labour?
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A new dawn has broken....
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
dawnographer-in-chief
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
yes - i've not seen much to suggest that the sunak government is politically much different from a johnson or truss government (apart from not having managed to bugger the economy in one day - but give them time) but it seems slightly closer to competent-evil than chaotic-evil.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I'm in an area that was a swing seat for decades (though whether it still is remains to be seen) and on some occasions in the past I was prepared to hold my nose. I dont feel like I can bring myself to do it in an ongoing austerity era though, not unless the party in question showed signs of bringing that era to a close.
skyscraper101
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Blimey. Look at this. I’d love to have been in that meeting when looking at the design options.
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
They very specifically do not.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Needs to be made into one of those cards that when you open start singing a song. Marvin Gaye's Sexual Healing would be a cracker.Blimey. Look at this. I’d love to have been in that meeting when looking at the design options.
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
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newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Old man just before shouting at clouds.Blimey. Look at this. I’d love to have been in that meeting when looking at the design options.
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Blimey. Look at this. I’d love to have been in that meeting when looking at the design options.
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Starmer's lies are less frequent than Johnson's but a lot more strategic, and another ruthless neoliberal PM isn't what we need. So I do understand people refusing to hold their nose and vote but I think I will because of the depth of hatred that's been building up since 1979 for the fucking tory government 
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
if you recall, his leadership bid included sending every member a big poster of his face.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I asked AI what it thought of this, and for alternatives.Blimey. Look at this. I’d love to have been in that meeting when looking at the design options.
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
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FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Mouth like a cat's arseholeBlimey. Look at this. I’d love to have been in that meeting when looking at the design options.
Kieth: Let’s go with the “I Are Srs” one. FFS
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And less sense comes out of it
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
US voters currently have a choice between neoliberalism and home-style fascism. Not a great choice but at least at least there's a meaningful difference there. Were I US voter, I wouldn't be voting for the Democrats, but I would be voting against the Republicans.
Over here, we've only got two slightly different flavours of neoliberalism. That's a choice without a distinction.
Just going to leave this here.
Labour drops plan to strip public schools of charitable status
Party drops promise to remove some charity tax perks but says it will implement VAT on fees.
www.bbc.co.uk
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Stunned that a tory leader of the labour Party who says, "I'm very comfortable with private schools" would drop this plan. Stunned.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Nah, they believe being "just like the Tories" is the way to victory.
Nah, they believe being just like the Tories but managing it 'better' is the way to
Eta And Pyrrhic victory pretty much sums it up.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I get like that sometimes, maybe they just lost the plan to strip private schools of charitable status down the back of the sofa? It's always in the last place you look for it, etc.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
I'm kind of busy trying to fix this. Since it seems to be currently impossible to do anything within the Labour Party other than approve of leadership decisions, keep schtum and do nothing, or get expelled, I have cancelled my direct debit (18 months ago) and started working on alternatives. There are already independent or small socialist party candidates set up to stand in a few constituencies around the country and more keep being added. Aside from trying to create a new national party Transform (Transform | Together, we call for a new party of the left) will be standing candidates all over the place. Including in Urban75 relevant terms Streatham and North Croydon. TUSC will be standing candidates in other places as will WPGB. This time around it is being coordinated so that no two left groups oppose each other. Mainly I am working with OCISA (OCISA - Unseat Starmer) to democratically select a candidate to kick Starmer out of Parliament so that at least he doesn't get to be PM. We, along with the Stop Starmer campaign will be holding a large street demo at Camden Town tube on the 7th of October and anyone is welcome to come to that, boost the numbers to send a message, and find out more. We don't have to put up with this. No matter how much the media/political establishment pretend we don't have national elections for a government and if everybody stopped operating along with that delusion we could actually make some changes happen at least in some constituencies. In many places with a particularly toxic Labour MP the line of "don't vote Labour get a Tory doesn't work. Starmer himself is about as likely to be beaten by a little green man from Mars as a Tory. Decades of giving the safest seats to the most corrupt people could be made to work against them,.
I'm a bit worried these broad left formations especially a negative platform like Stop Starmer will attract antisemitic conspiracy loon types. And that they are more about political posturing than reflecting working class concerns.
Eric Jarvis
Well-Known Member
I can only speak for OCISA and Transform, but so far both are doing pretty well at trying to be ground up democratic, trying to reach outwards to dispossessed and oppressed communities and get them directly involved, and limiting the scope for the antisemitic, antivaxxer, PR monomaniacs and Lexit conspiracy mongers to distract everyone. Admittedly it's hard work doing that and it is upsetting some of the people who think they are just being good lefties by claiming that all the attacks on the left are down to Zionists, that the only policy that matters for the left is a commitment to PR (oddly they never seem to care what form of PR), that a failure to be transphobic amounts to being anti-feminist, or that no matter what the evidence any alleged sexual predator on the left must inevitably be the victim of a smear campaign. I'm wary of some Transform members on the grounds you suggest, but largely they don't seem to be getting their way, not least because the Liverpool Community
Independents have at least as much influence there as Left Unity.
In OCISA we have been out on the streets surveying people about what issues they want an MP to tackle, outside supermarkets (not Waitrose) and on council estates. Incidentally that boils down to housing and cost of living. There's too much talk about which famous person who appeals to white middle class middle aged lefties as a potential candidate, but we are putting a democratic selection process in place that should deal with that, and the message that the average age of the electorate in the constiruency is under 35 is beginning to get through.
What's needed in both OCISA and Transform is more committed members who actually want proper representation of non-white, working class, and young people. There's an understandable reluctance to get involved since just about every such initiative over the last few decades has basically been a small clique trying to build a political power base for a limited ideology. Which is exactly why I've never taken part in any before this.
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PTK
Paul Kegan
"Organise Corbyn Inspired Socialist Alliance" is a strange name.
How is it that "OCISA Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee"?
I would not want to vote for a company.
This sounds a little like a fake organisation.
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