Hold your nose and vote Labour?

[FridgeMagnet]

I just find myself really tired of a system that consistently says that it's YOU THE VOTER who is responsible for the actions of a government, yet doesn't even pretend that you have any effective influence via the vote. Just it's your fault if bad things happen. It's so much like the deliberate bullshit around climate change, all massively concentrating on carbon footprints as if that had any relevance at all.

 

[brogdale]

I just find myself really tired of a system that consistently says that it's YOU THE VOTER who is responsible for the actions of a government, yet doesn't even pretend that you have any effective influence via the vote. Just it's your fault if bad things happen. It's so much like the deliberate bullshit around climate change, all massively concentrating on carbon footprints as if that had any relevance at all.

Yep, just another version of privatise the profit and socialise the loss...take credit for any confected 'success' and democratise the multiple failures, usually in the name of 'fairness'.

 

[newme]

Why not?

Entirely tactical voting against the Tories, Lib Dems were within a few % of Tories where I voted in the end, Labour didn't even get close to 10%.

 

[newme]

I just find myself really tired of a system that consistently says that it's YOU THE VOTER who is responsible for the actions of a government, yet doesn't even pretend that you have any effective influence via the vote. Just it's your fault if bad things happen. It's so much like the deliberate bullshit around climate change, all massively concentrating on carbon footprints as if that had any relevance at all.

Yup I voted against Brexit then got blamed for being in a County that voted for is overall, despite partially losing my job as I was spending EU money. Same for the Tory lead council that then later cut salary budgets massively as the EU money ran out and had hundreds of people made redundant, which I was a part of and didn't vote for either.

 

[polly]

Entirely tactical voting against the Tories, Lib Dems were within a few % of Tories where I voted in the end, Labour didn't even get close to 10%.

Well that's consistent of you at least!

 

[DotCommunist]

Great news everyone! Liz '4.5% of the vote in a leadership election' Kendall is back as shadow work and pensions.

 

[Pickman's model]

Great news everyone! Liz '4.5% of the vote in a leadership election' Kendall is back as shadow work and pensions.

it's great to see this chocolate teapot has found a use in the labour party

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Great news everyone! Liz '4.5% of the vote in a leadership election' Kendall is back as shadow work and pensions.

Plus, Blair's PPS Pat McFadden has been appointed Labour election campaign co-ordinator. I think the general direction of travel is clear....

 

[Serge Forward]

it's great to see this chocolate teapot has found a use in the labour party

She's my local chocolate teapot MP. A few years ago I heard LP members refer to her as "Lazy Liz". That was the most complimentary thing I ever heard about her.

 

[xenon]

A good campaign, lots of big issues should get the voters out?

Right, let me know when you see one of them. You ain’t gonna get that with this incarnation of labour.

 

[Pickman's model]

Plus, Blair's PPS Pat McFadden has been appointed Labour election campaign co-ordinator. I think the general direction of travel is clear....

 

[teqniq]

Been looking for an opportunity to post this:



As demonstrated by:


Rebecca Filer works for Hope not Hate but appears to be getting her orders from somewhere else.

also:



Could the Labour right be rattled? Maybe.

 

[newme]

Well that's consistent of you at least!

Only time I did not end up voting for the closest competitor was when it unfortunately turned out to be UKIP....
I may be consistent, unfortunately it is not at winning, or fortunately considering who won? Idk. Can see why people think it will be make a difference tho when you are stuck in somewhere that shares none of your values as an average.

 

[newme]

She's my local chocolate teapot MP. A few years ago I heard LP members refer to her as "Lazy Liz". That was the most complimentary thing I ever heard about her.

My brothers area has George Useless, same deal. Called in by large numbers of new build owners who had a shit hole not a house, progression was, not occurring.

 

[teqniq]

FFS:

Labour plots purge of troublesome MPs before next election

The article uses examples of MPs who there may well be genuine issues with but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find left-wing MPs on the list as well.

 

[belboid]

FFS:

Labour plots purge of troublesome MPs before next election

The article uses examples of MPs who there may well be genuine issues with but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find left-wing MPs on the list as well.

everyone mentioned is fairly well centre/right of the party. Good fucking riddance to them. I would suspect a few more of the 'awkward squad' on the left may well be pushed out as well tho

 

[Orang Utan]

FFS:

Labour plots purge of troublesome MPs before next election

The article uses examples of MPs who there may well be genuine issues with but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find left-wing MPs on the list as well.

What’s this Monty nonsense?

 

[Pickman's model]

FFS:

Labour plots purge of troublesome MPs before next election

The article uses examples of MPs who there may well be genuine issues with but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to find left-wing MPs on the list as well.

If they want to eliminate unsuitable mps they should start at the top

 

[teqniq]

Labour appear to be awash with seconded lobbyists:

Starmer assistant among lobbyists working for shadow cabinet

Staffer for Labour leader has senior Grant Thornton role while Dodds and Reynolds have taken secondees from lobbyists

www.opendemocracy.net

 

[tommers]

 

[kabbes]

 

[kabbes]

 

[two sheds]

Not that I'm particularly enamoured of Biden but a bit more like



"It's a two-party system you have to vote for one of us"

 

[skyscraper101]

Yeah, still Biden.

 

[MickiQ]

I'm no great fan of either Sunak or Starmer but at least they come across as rational whether you agree with them or not. The Tangerine Turd is just a complete nutjob though.

 

[two sheds]

Perhaps,although several of the fuckers Sunak would appoint to the cabinet to actually push their ideas forward would also likely be complete nutjobs.

 

[skyscraper101]

Perhaps, although several of the fuckers Sunak would appoint to the cabinet to actually push their ideas forward would also likely be complete nutjobs.

Though at least Dorries and Rees Mogg are no longer flavour of the month so ever so slightly less shit than the Johnson/Truss era.

 

[two sheds]

Indeed, although I could see unknown young fundie tory mps taking their place and taking up US arguing points like banning abortion, more restrictions on non-traditional families and the like.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Though at least Dorries and Rees Mogg are no longer flavour of the month so ever so slightly less shit than the Johnson/Truss era.

In what speciifc ways are they 'less shit'? The economy? Inflation? Jobs? Public services? The culture war?

 

[skyscraper101]

In what speciifc ways are they 'less shit'? The economy? Inflation? Jobs? Public services? The culture war?

Channel 4 not being privatised.