Herne Hill news, chitter chatter and gossip

[gaijingirl]

My mum called me from London (I'm overseas atm) simply to tell me she's boycotting The Commercial who apparently charged her £9.35 for a large glass of chardonnay. Can that be right? She claims she queried it and it's on the price list.

 

[Winot]

My mum called me from London (I'm overseas atm) simply to tell me she's boycotting The Commercial who apparently charged her £9.35 for a large glass of chardonnay. Can that be right? She claims she queried it and it's on the price list.

Could be if it was a 250ml glass.

How much of a lush is she?

 

[gaijingirl]

Could be if it was a 250ml glass.

How much of a lush is she?

It was a 250ml.

 

[snowy_again]

I'm struggling to understand the implications of this (speed reading isn't my strong point):

Public meeting with Southwark Council on the development of Bath Factory Estate - Wednesday 19th April

"As you may be aware, Southwark Council is at consultation phase over all of the development sites across the borough for the New Southwark Plan. Specifically relevant to Herne Hill residents is the significant piece of land and properties that run between the railway bridge at the bottom of Half Moon Lane and all the way to Rosedale Road, facing onto Brockwell Park as Norwood Road and backing onto the railway line. This area is the Bath Factory Estate and has been highlighted as a development opportunity for further residential as well as commercial properties. You can read more here. The formal deadline for feedback is 28 April."

And the link just takes you to a map:
Herne Hill and North Dulwich - Southwark London Borough Council Consultation Hub - Citizen Space

But you need to click the hyperlink within that ^^ to get to the actual text which seems to be proposing:

Redevelopment of the site must: • Contribute towards the small business cluster in Herne Hill providing at least the amount of employment floorspace currently on the site; • Provide a new link to Half Moon Lane to improve the permeability and legibility of the site; • Provide high quality active frontages at appropriate ground floor locations, including in the arches of the railway viaduct. Redevelopment of the site may: • Provide new homes on upper storeys facing Brockwell Park.

 

[teuchter]

It's basically proposing this whole stretch of one-storey shops can be redeveloped, adding on an extra storey(s) and including housing. Plus redevelopment of the little lane behind, so that it becomes a through route that pops out either end.

 

[editor]

I'm struggling to understand the implications of this (speed reading isn't my strong point):

Public meeting with Southwark Council on the development of Bath Factory Estate - Wednesday 19th April

"As you may be aware, Southwark Council is at consultation phase over all of the development sites across the borough for the New Southwark Plan. Specifically relevant to Herne Hill residents is the significant piece of land and properties that run between the railway bridge at the bottom of Half Moon Lane and all the way to Rosedale Road, facing onto Brockwell Park as Norwood Road and backing onto the railway line. This area is the Bath Factory Estate and has been highlighted as a development opportunity for further residential as well as commercial properties. You can read more here. The formal deadline for feedback is 28 April."

And the link just takes you to a map:
Herne Hill and North Dulwich - Southwark London Borough Council Consultation Hub - Citizen Space

But you need to click the hyperlink within that ^^ to get to the actual text which seems to be proposing:

Redevelopment of the site must: • Contribute towards the small business cluster in Herne Hill providing at least the amount of employment floorspace currently on the site; • Provide a new link to Half Moon Lane to improve the permeability and legibility of the site; • Provide high quality active frontages at appropriate ground floor locations, including in the arches of the railway viaduct. Redevelopment of the site may: • Provide new homes on upper storeys facing Brockwell Park.

Sounds like the usual 'let's boot out the independent businesses and get a wanky developer in for more of the same shit' jargon. I hope this doesn't impact on Crispy 's venture.

 

[Crispy]

It almost certainly will. They say they'll maintain the same amount of employment floorspace on the site (2,553 m² in the arches and associated sheds), but it'll go from all B1 (light industrial) to a mix of A1 (retail), A2 (services), A3 (food and drink), A4 (drink), B1, D1 (public services), D2 (entertainment). And you just *know* they'll push any B1 use back between the two railways where the public won't want to go.

It'll take a while to sort out all the various subleases accross the site, and any development will be in the planning/design stages for some time too, but in the medium term I am not hopeful.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Wouldn't be nice if they could 'develop' without raising everything to the ground and starting over.

 

[editor]

It almost certainly will. They say they'll maintain the same amount of employment floorspace on the site (2,553 m² in the arches and associated sheds), but it'll go from all B1 (light industrial) to a mix of A1 (retail), A2 (services), A3 (food and drink), A4 (drink), B1, D1 (public services), D2 (entertainment). And you just *know* they'll push any B1 use back between the two railways where the public won't want to go.

It'll take a while to sort out all the various subleases accross the site, and any development will be in the planning/design stages for some time too, but in the medium term I am not hopeful.

If there's anything I can do - publicity/promote any petitions you start etc - please drop me a line. I'm fucked off with this endless crushing off independent/alternative businesses and ventures.

 

[Crispy]

If there's anything I can do - publicity/promote any petitions you start etc - please drop me a line. I'm fucked off with this endless crushing off independent/alternative businesses and ventures.

Best thing to do is to make comments on the application, saying that light industrial is a crucial part of the local economy and it's becoming increasingly hard to find. The existing B1 use of the estate should be *protected* not watered down.

 

[teuchter]

It almost certainly will. They say they'll maintain the same amount of employment floorspace on the site (2,553 m² in the arches and associated sheds), but it'll go from all B1 (light industrial) to a mix of A1 (retail), A2 (services), A3 (food and drink), A4 (drink), B1, D1 (public services), D2 (entertainment). And you just *know* they'll push any B1 use back between the two railways where the public won't want to go.

It'll take a while to sort out all the various subleases accross the site, and any development will be in the planning/design stages for some time too, but in the medium term I am not hopeful.

Is the parade of shops along Norwood Rd part of Network Rail territory or is that in different ownership?

 

[editor]

Best thing to do is to make comments on the application, saying that light industrial is a crucial part of the local economy and it's becoming increasingly hard to find. The existing B1 use of the estate should be *protected* not watered down.

How about you draft a template letter that addresses all the salient points (so people ca make valid objections) , and I could run that on Buzz when you're ready?

 

[teuchter]

Best thing to do is to make comments on the application, saying that light industrial is a crucial part of the local economy and it's becoming increasingly hard to find. The existing B1 use of the estate should be *protected* not watered down.

The stuff linked to above is a consultation on planning policy rather than an application for permission for development, right? But definitely worth pushing for something like you say to be written into policy before any applications are made.

What happened on the Higgs estate was that they allowed classification as "B1 or B2" (B2 being office space) so they could say that they weren't removing B1 space, even though they were in reality because you could see that what was designed with B2 rather than B1 in mind.

Adding housing along Norwood Rd will provide a motivation for landlords to decrease B1 use because of associated noise, mess etc. Something also worth mentioning in any response to the consultation.

 

[Crispy]

The stuff linked to above is a consultation on planning policy rather than an application for permission for development, right?

Correct

But definitely worth pushing for something like you say to be written into policy before any applications are made.

Absolutely. Much easier to get this sort of protection in now before any heavyweight developers are throwing their weight around.

Adding housing along Norwood Rd will provide a motivation for landlords to decrease B1 use because of associated noise, mess etc. Something also worth mentioning in any response to the consultation.

Yes indeed

 

[Crispy]

How about you draft a template letter that addresses all the salient points (so people ca make valid objections) , and I could run that on Buzz when you're ready?

We'll see what they've got to say at this consultation meeting first I think.

 

[friendofdorothy]

It almost certainly will. They say they'll maintain the same amount of employment floorspace on the site (2,553 m² in the arches and associated sheds), but it'll go from all B1 (light industrial) to a mix of A1 (retail), A2 (services), A3 (food and drink), A4 (drink), B1, D1 (public services), D2 (entertainment). And you just *know* they'll push any B1 use back between the two railways where the public won't want to go.

It'll take a while to sort out all the various subleases accross the site, and any development will be in the planning/design stages for some time too, but in the medium term I am not hopeful.

oh shit. I think that its quite recently that those shops are finally all let, when for years there were loads of voids. I'd be interested in attending any planning meetings. Please keep us informed.

 

[Ms T]

Deliciously Ella is opening a place called The Kitchen Counter in the arches on Milkwood Road shortly. One for the vegetarians and even vegans, I'm told.

Deliciously Ella is married to Tessa Jowell's son apparently so that might explain why we've been graced with her presence in Herne Hill.

 

[Lizzy Mac]

Deliciously Ella is married to Tessa Jowell's son apparently so that might explain why we've been graced with her presence in Herne Hill.

Good reports from the dry run.
I suspect it's another place that I'll rarely be able to afford but I am curious and will try it.

 

[technical]

My mum called me from London (I'm overseas atm) simply to tell me she's boycotting The Commercial who apparently charged her £9.35 for a large glass of chardonnay. Can that be right? She claims she queried it and it's on the price list.

I got charged £9.75 on Saturday in the Half Moon for a large white wine (for my other half)

 

[friendofdorothy]

I got charged £9.75 on Saturday in the Half Moon for a large white wine (for my other half)

ouch!

 

[friendofdorothy]

Deliciously Ella is married to Tessa Jowell's son apparently so that might explain why we've been graced with her presence in Herne Hill.

Graced? can't say I feel blessed.

Always got her confused with with Harriet Harmen. If there was ever an identity parade of female labour mps I'd have a really hard job picking her out.

 

[friendofdorothy]

My mum called me from London (I'm overseas atm) simply to tell me she's boycotting The Commercial who apparently charged her £9.35 for a large glass of chardonnay. Can that be right? She claims she queried it and it's on the price list.

ouch! with shit toilets.

 

[snowy_again]

Are yours that bad? The gents have been hamlet stickered already I see.

The garden was fun last weekend as most people had gone away for the weekend, which made it reasonably quiet, and it's an ok suntrap.

It's just the Florence in a bigger space though isn't it?

 

[friendofdorothy]

Are yours that bad? The gents have been hamlet stickered already I see.

The garden was fun last weekend as most people had gone away for the weekend, which made it reasonably quiet, and it's an ok suntrap.

It's just the Florence in a bigger space though isn't it?

Ladies loos in Commercial are not great, but the Florence is a cheche and I don't generally want to feel like a grandma.

 

[friendofdorothy]

Dropped into the halfmoon for one this afternoon. NO REAL BEER! they had just had a delivery and apparently that meant there would be no real beer for the next 20 mins (why? 12 pumps no beer?) so we foolishly plumped for a pint of keg each (1 bullfinch and 1 pride) I held out a £10, but it WASN'T ENOUGH! £10.95 for 2 pints of keg. NOOOOOO!

 

[BoxRoom]

Dropped into the halfmoon for one this afternoon. NO REAL BEER! they had just had a delivery and apparently that meant there would be no real beer for the next 20 mins (why? 12 pumps no beer?) so we foolishly plumped for a pint of keg each (1 bullfinch and 1 pride) I held out a £10, but it WASN'T ENOUGH! £10.95 for 2 pints of keg. NOOOOOO!

Fucking hell!

 

[colacubes]

Popped in on Sunday and came out £13 lighter for a pint of Hepcat and a large Pinot. The Hepcat was £5.30. It retails at between £3.90 and £4.30 at our regular (fairly gastro) pubs in West Norwood. I raise my eyebrows at £8 for a large glass of wine in the West End and it wasn't even the most expensive on the menu. I'll be more careful with what I order another time.

In summary they've done a lovely job on the interior but the prices are a pisstake.

 

[Sister Midnight]

HELP! My beautiful & much loved cat Tilly has gone missing. Think she slipped out the front door just after midnight Friday into Saturday. She's scared of traffic etc so wouldn't normally wander but isn't hiding in the front or back gardens, nor the neighbours' as far as I can see. Really worried she's been hurt or taken. She has hypokalaemia - without her meds she'll eventually die. So it's vital she's found asap. I'm beside myself. Please look out if you're in SE24 area (Norwood Rd between Brockwell Park & Tulse Hill gyratory). Any advice welcome.

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[Sister Midnight]

I've put posters up, done Facebook & Twitter posts, national pet register. Will do shelters, council and vet when open tomrw.


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[Lizzy Mac]

I've put posters up, done Facebook & Twitter posts, national pet register. Will do shelters, council and vet when open tomrw.


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Don't forget the Herne Hill Forum. I'm out all day in the area tomorrow and will keep everything peeled.