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But didn't Prince Harry sustain an injury from a dog bowl?
henry viii - was he a f*ckwit?
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Jumped up and broke itself on his back, iirc.
bcuster
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Well said. I hadn't thought of this...
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krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
Thomas or Oliver?
Aladdin
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Both
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Thomas was given a shiny new image by Hilary Mantell in Wolf Hall. He was portrayed as a charming and thoughtful man.
He was a cunt in real life.
He was a cunt in real life.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Very hot on burning heretics himself iirc
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
According to recent research.
It's rather likely that Henry had Kell blood group antigenecy, which led to McLeod syndrome. This would explain his fertility problems, his wives issues with childbirth, issues with his offspring's health, and his late life psychosis. (McLeod syndrome being less likely, but hypothesised)
I watched a documentary on it a while back and it was super interesting.
It's rather likely that Henry had Kell blood group antigenecy, which led to McLeod syndrome. This would explain his fertility problems, his wives issues with childbirth, issues with his offspring's health, and his late life psychosis. (McLeod syndrome being less likely, but hypothesised)
I watched a documentary on it a while back and it was super interesting.
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mystic pyjamas
Don't call us,we'll call you.
Read somewhere that Henry had a pretty nasty fall during a jousting tournament and it was touch and go if he would live. This happened in his thirties and his personality changed overnight. from that day he was never the same man..
steeplejack
I'm Away Right Now
I'm here for these sort of history threads and this could be a really fun interactive part of future palace history-style tours. A re-animated Henry VIII created by AI looking dumfounded as a threadbare gaggle of ageing ravers and politics nerds shout abuse, deriding the dead sovereign as a "fuckwit", "knob", and "misogynist cunt".
Not sure how it would all end but pretty sure as it's not the 16th century we'll keep our heads. Unless, that is, Nigel Farage invites the hologram to be the next leader of Reform UK (and even then he is likely to be too "woke" for some of Reform's customer base).
Not sure how it would all end but pretty sure as it's not the 16th century we'll keep our heads. Unless, that is, Nigel Farage invites the hologram to be the next leader of Reform UK (and even then he is likely to be too "woke" for some of Reform's customer base).
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Only because the older Henry is played by a different actor.
/Ye Crown reference
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I'm sort of curious as to what major 16th Century figures would pass the Urban 'cunt/not-cunt' test.
TBF not many people manage it even now.
TBF not many people manage it even now.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Elizabeth of York was very decent. (only just 16th century, though).I'm sort of curious as to what major 16th Century figures would pass the Urban 'cunt/not-cunt' test.
TBF not many people manage it even now.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
H. Mantel also did an interesting essay in defence of Robespierre- I remain unconvinced but she was a skilled and persuasive writer nonetheless.
mojo pixy
שיר חדש
I'm sort of curious as to what major 16th Century figures would pass the Urban 'cunt/not-cunt' test.
TBF not many people manage it even now.
Yeah I'll hold up a flag for Michel de Montaigne too, he was considered a bit of a weirdo by contemporaries for eg believing girls ought to be educated like boys were.
T & P
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As a non-British national who didn’t pay much attention to history lessons in primary school, my knowledge is limited to the basics you absorb as an adult from books, newspapers articles or TV documentaries.
And if I am correct in saying that he was a man who offed several of his wives for failing to impregnate them, I would conclude that yes, he was a massive fuckwit.
I do realise that most monarchs from most countries in those times would have undoubtedly ordered or sanctioned some acts of indefensible murder even within the frame of that era, never mind as we’d judge them today. But a man who (as my perhaps ignorant understanding of events understands) pretty much created a splinter religion for the sole purpose of dumping his wife, and went on to murder several subsequent wives, should be taught in UK schools as a cunt of the highest order.
FWIW it is by no means a phenomenon unique to the UK. When learning about Spanish history in school when I was a kid in the 80s, our school books or our teachers for that matter had literally fuck all to say about our glorious Conquistadores raping, killing, pillaging and even wiping out entire communities. I’d like to think the current Spanish primary school curriculum at least touches on it a bit, but wouldn’t be surprised if it still paints Spain’s discovery and subsequent empire establishment in the American continent as as the high water mark of the country’s greatest achievements.
Probably worth a separate thread. I’d certainly be interested to learn about how many Western nations are being remotely objective in their education curriculum about their historical behaviour both domestically and overseas. Or the defence of holding on to foreign territories thousands of miles away gained by force centuries ago.
And if I am correct in saying that he was a man who offed several of his wives for failing to impregnate them, I would conclude that yes, he was a massive fuckwit.
I do realise that most monarchs from most countries in those times would have undoubtedly ordered or sanctioned some acts of indefensible murder even within the frame of that era, never mind as we’d judge them today. But a man who (as my perhaps ignorant understanding of events understands) pretty much created a splinter religion for the sole purpose of dumping his wife, and went on to murder several subsequent wives, should be taught in UK schools as a cunt of the highest order.
FWIW it is by no means a phenomenon unique to the UK. When learning about Spanish history in school when I was a kid in the 80s, our school books or our teachers for that matter had literally fuck all to say about our glorious Conquistadores raping, killing, pillaging and even wiping out entire communities. I’d like to think the current Spanish primary school curriculum at least touches on it a bit, but wouldn’t be surprised if it still paints Spain’s discovery and subsequent empire establishment in the American continent as as the high water mark of the country’s greatest achievements.
Probably worth a separate thread. I’d certainly be interested to learn about how many Western nations are being remotely objective in their education curriculum about their historical behaviour both domestically and overseas. Or the defence of holding on to foreign territories thousands of miles away gained by force centuries ago.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
it is wierd how he seems to get a pass and is regarded as "a bit of a charchter" when he was very much a capricious tyrant who seemed to think nothing of executing advisors and wives who failed him in some way. And he casued a siesmic repture in englands social fabric and international relations just to sastify his own personal desires and greed.
THe enlglish reformation is a weird one in that its main driver was Henry breaking with rome as a way of divorcing his wife in order to a. persue his obsesson with Anne Bolyen and/or b. secure a legitmate male heir.
Cramner and Cromwell used this as a way of pushing England towards protestantism - and Henry seemed happy to go along with it as a way of getting rid of Catherin of Aragorn and then later enriching himself on the proceeds of the disolution of the monestrys (which also bought the support of the noblilty) . Cromwell seems to have been the key player here - im not sure whether he was driven by deeply held religious convictions - and/or a machivelian genius for wealth and power (which bit him on the arse big time after the anne of Cleves debacle)
Who knows what would have happened had Catherine provided a male her - or if the pope had sanctioned a divorce? The History of England and Britain would have been very, very different.
THe enlglish reformation is a weird one in that its main driver was Henry breaking with rome as a way of divorcing his wife in order to a. persue his obsesson with Anne Bolyen and/or b. secure a legitmate male heir.
Cramner and Cromwell used this as a way of pushing England towards protestantism - and Henry seemed happy to go along with it as a way of getting rid of Catherin of Aragorn and then later enriching himself on the proceeds of the disolution of the monestrys (which also bought the support of the noblilty) . Cromwell seems to have been the key player here - im not sure whether he was driven by deeply held religious convictions - and/or a machivelian genius for wealth and power (which bit him on the arse big time after the anne of Cleves debacle)
Who knows what would have happened had Catherine provided a male her - or if the pope had sanctioned a divorce? The History of England and Britain would have been very, very different.
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
It would indeed. The reformation wouldn't have happened in the same way. Henry and Catherine, and many other nobles and important people at the time were keen to rid the catholic church of some of its corruptions at the time, so reformation may still have happened, but it would have been far more gradual and peaceful, and wouldn't necessarily have led to the formation of the Church of England.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
That’s not my reading of Mantel’s portrayal of him. I think she goes to great lengths to portray him as both those things, neither an unblemished hero nor an irredeemable villain.
Larry O'Hara
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Elizabeth I on the other hand, was amazingly impressive. Discuss
The British Isles were still bloody & didn't side step anything. The Tudor conquest of Ireland took the lives of thousands. And there was the long drawn out Anglo-Dutch war against Spain, (who gave some support to the Irish) & the Spanish Armada.
Which we know leads to The English Civil War, which was a chapter in the European Wars of Religion, itself part of the wider global crisis of the 1600s.
Geoffrey Parker's book is vast in scope & daunting.
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