Have the UCKG infiltrated Sainsbury's?

[William of Walworth]

I remember this thread when it was first started , but to me the most interesting thing about it is what's revealed just above -- that the UCKG are operating without licence -- squatting, essentially. (See also smokedout's quote of the relevant law, at the bottom of page two).

If Sainsburys (etc) had a bit of soddin gumption their managers would endeavour to get them moved themselves. Have you had any correspondence with Sainburys Louloubelle?

But that idea of phoning the 101 number idea to let the Police know may be a helpful tip anyway.

 

[William of Walworth]

I also appreciate the risk that much more benign charities and churches, and maybe political groups too, could be caught up if complaints are too vigorous and indiscriminate.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I don't think shops have any control over the pavement though. The Sainsburys in Central Brixton isn't like the Tescos on Acre Lane. The former is right on the street, the latter set back on its own land. I can't really see that this is something Sainsburys have any control over. Long before it was there there'd be people collecting, getting petitions signed etc etc.

 

[Louloubelle]

If Sainsburys (etc) had a bit of soddin gumption their managers would endeavour to get them moved themselves. Have you had any correspondence with Sainburys Louloubelle?

Yes I spoke to the Sainsbury's manager and he came outside to ask them to move. He complained that Sainsburys has it own local charity and that, apart from anything else, the UCKG were taking money from that charity.

The UCKG people waved their fake license around and insisted that they were entitled to be there. The manager questioned the authenticity of the license but they insisted it was real. The manager acted with great integrity but here was a limit to what he could do. This is when I phoned 101 and a cop turned up.

After talking to the UCKG about the fake license and the law they left. I then took the cop into sainsburys to talk to the manager and the cop told the manager that they were acting illegally and advised him to call 101 if they turned up again this side of Christmas.

But that idea of phoning the 101 number idea to let the Police know may be a helpful tip anyway.

It is not a helpful tip, it is the only thing to do that will stop them.

So many people are angry about the UCKG abuses that the collectors themselves (who are victims - the rich people at the top are never out singing carols in the snow) are at risk of being assaulted by angry locals.

If you try to discuss anything with the carol singers they just sing louder and ignore you which IME can leave you feeling very angry. Best to just call 101 and report unlicensed street collection by the UCKG. No drama, nothing escalates into something ugly, they will just get moved on, which is what we all want yes?

 

[Louloubelle]

I also appreciate the risk that much more benign charities and churches, and maybe political groups too, could be caught up if complaints are too vigorous and indiscriminate.

Any individual or group needs a police license to collect in the street.

If you are in doubt you can call 101 and the cops will come and check the license.

There are plenty of crooks and dodgy fake charities collecting from well meaning people. They deflect money from real charities and good causes and they should be stopped from conning people.

If you call 101 and the collectors have a licence (I have done this re door to door collections) the police will let you know and thank you for your vigilance in taking care of your neighbourhood. No harm done

 

[William of Walworth]

Interesting posts from Mrs M and Louloubelle, thanks.

 

[harpo]

Yes, thanks for the info and nice one Louloubelle

They were at Walthamstow station yesterday and also outside Libertys. I had thought that I might get short shrift from the police for contacting them but seems not, which is heartening, so that is what I shall do in future.

 

[ash]

Outside Brixton tube yesterday

 

[Mapped]

I had them at my front door yesterday. They can fuck right off with this idea.

http://www.uckg.org/uk/?page_id=46621

UCKG Walthamstow help centre No thanks!

Waltham Forest Council agree too and last week said they'd support a compulsory purchase order to take that building off them if someone has the funds to buy it.

 

[harpo]

I had them at my front door yesterday. They can fuck right off with this idea.

http://www.uckg.org/uk/?page_id=46621

UCKG Walthamstow help centre No thanks!

Waltham Forest Council agree too and last week said they'd support a compulsory purchase order to take that building off them if someone has the funds to buy it.

I read that . They've said they won't go quietly though and I don't know exactly how 'compulsory' a CPO is or what the law is that surrounds it. The last in an exhaustive line of appeals is still being heard but the CPO seems good news. I hope it's got some teeth.

They came to your front door? Oh let them try it at mine!!

The sheer delusional nerve of them.

 

[blossie33]

There were three of them singing outside Waitrose in Crouch End yesterday. I was talking to a guy collecting for the Rotary club a bit further down the road, he didn't know anything about them and was wondering who they were.

 

[harpo]

The only thing to do is what Louloubelle says and ring 101. It's skanky fraud and manipulative indoctrination the UCKG perpetrates, nowt of the 'honest crim' about them. I didn't think til reading here that the cops would take it seriously but seems they do.

 

[Mapped]

I read that . They've said they won't go quietly though and I don't know exactly how 'compulsory' a CPO is or what the law is that surrounds it. The last in an exhaustive line of appeals is still being heard but the CPO seems good news. I hope it's got some teeth.

They came to your front door? Oh let them try it at mine!!

The sheer delusional nerve of them.

They got shooo'd away pretty quick. Mrs had them last week as well

Regarding the CPO. I've had some limited professional experience in this area. I had some very minor involvement in kicking people and businesses off the Olympic site The CPO law is VERY compulsory. If it comes to this they will lose loads of cash as they paid way above market rate when they bought the building.

They've no chance at succeeding with this project as the council and the community see them for what they are

 

[quimcunx]

They were singing rather badly outside victoria station yesterday too.

 

[harpo]

They got shooo'd away pretty quick. Mrs had them last week as well

Regarding the CPO. I've had some limited professional experience in this area. I had some very minor involvement in kicking people and businesses off the Olympic site The CPO law is VERY compulsory. If it comes to this they will lose loads of cash as they paid way above market rate when they bought the building.

They've no chance at succeeding with this project as the council and the community see them for what they are

It's certainly starting to look that way . This may be the first time they've been challenged and driven back like this. They're showing their nasty colours, there's not a semblance of respect or tolerance of the local community view left of their strategy and it's not such a bad thing to have that so blatantly on show.

Good to hear a CPO has some power but I imagine they are capable of turning very nasty.

Have you engaged them in conversation at the front door? I think there's a part of me that might be tempted.

 

[harpo]

They were singing rather badly outside victoria station yesterday too.

I'm sure I read somewhere about a quirk in the law that allows you to collect money in December if you sing carols and that's why they do it. They never make any effort to sing properly they just make a token effort to tick the box so they can rinse money.

 

[Mapped]

It's certainly starting to look that way . This may be the first time they've been challenged and driven back like this. They're showing their nasty colours, there's not a semblance of respect or tolerance of the local community view left of their strategy and it's not such a bad thing to have that so blatantly on show.

Good to hear a CPO has some power but I imagine they are capable of turning very nasty.

Have you engaged them in conversation at the front door? I think there's a part of me that might be tempted.

I just told them to piss off

The CPO is VERY powerful and they'll have no choice about it. There are routes they may take for appeals and land tribunals which may take ages and drag on and on, but I really can't see them hanging on to that building if someone else comes up with the cash.

The money has to come from somewhere though and I don't think WFC will be up for buying it. Hopefully the Cinema Trust thing has proper legs, finance and organisation.

 

[harpo]

I just told them to piss off

The CPO is VERY powerful and they'll have no choice about it. There are routes they may take for appeals and land tribunals which may take ages and drag on and on, but I really can't see them hanging on to that building if someone else comes up with the cash.

The money has to come from somewhere though and I don't think WFC will be up for buying it. Hopefully the Cinema Trust thing has proper legs, finance and organisation.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/ne...up_defiant_over_threat_of_forced_cinema_sale/
Did you read this? It's all so positive . And fair play to Sadie Frost.

 

[StoneRoad]

I haven't seen these ******ers oop north yet, I shall be pleased to tell them to do one if they show up.

Real Charities are having enough problems with fundraising without this sort of problem.
see : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20304267 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20652731

I collect for the RNLI......and even that has been getting less this year.

 

[Mapped]

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/ne...up_defiant_over_threat_of_forced_cinema_sale/
Did you read this? It's all so positive . And fair play to Sadie Frost.

Sadie Frost She opened a clothes shop near where I used to live in N1. Me and Mrs spotted her and Kate Moss stumbling around wasted after their opening evening There seemed to be lots of 'sales' happening at that place, don't know if it' still in business.

I might see if there's anyway to get involved in this cinema trust stuff.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Outside Brixton tube yesterday

Yep. I saw them. Luckily there was a load of police there for the Starbucks demo, who moved them on sharpish.

 

[19sixtysix]

They were singing rather badly outside victoria station yesterday too.

I think they were inside the station with buckets this week. I couldn't make out what it said on the bucket but given what I read on urban I pretty sure it was them.

 

[quimcunx]

They say any old shite. but they have the white bird on red circle type logo. It always used to remind me of the BHF one.

 

[quimcunx]

I'm pretty sure it was them chanting 'World AIDS day tomorrow' a couple of weeks ago too.

 

[ash]

Yep. I saw them. Luckily there was a load of police there for the Starbucks demo, who moved them on sharpish.

They really piss me off as they are detracting from genuine charities (chugggers aside ) but I'm pleased that the law are taking them seriously. I agree with the ' don't challenge them as they at victims' stance. I have had a go in the past and you can tell they really don't get it -almost a glassed eyes response which is scary.

 

[frogwoman]

According to a SP mate of mine they're collecting inside Tesco's now.

 

[hipipol]

they were all over Lewisham and Peckham last week

I may offer to sing with a few of them as I have some "special" words for most hymns and carols

 

[colacubes]

They were outside Brixton tube yesterday lunchtime.

 

[Winot]

Outside Clapham Sainsbury's yesterday.

 

[Mapped]

There's a good update here on the current wranglings over the Cinema building in Walthamstow

http://savewalthamstowcinema.org/2012/12/20/emd-inquiry-statement-from-waltham-forest-cinema-trust/