stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Soz, I mean't to differentiate the UCKG to the 'local one' which Louloubelle refers to in the OP which does lots of good work.
Have the UCKG infiltrated Sainsbury's?
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Soz, I mean't to differentiate the UCKG to the 'local one' which Louloubelle refers to in the OP which does lots of good work.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Ok, so what's the next step in the argument given he also wanted her taken to hospital, after social servies didn't?
Just make a case someone please, becasue all I'm reading in this thread is innuendo and supermarket locations?
they are verywhere at the moment - i talk to them occasionally and their reaction is almost all cultish i.e no recognition of reality . I alwys ask them where the money is going, and they say new centres. when i say do you realise Bishop macedo and his cronies is creaming money off they go cultish and say it is all lies and you shouldn't believe what you read in the papers. teh sda thing is many of them say they were alkies/addicts beofree and without the church they would be in the gutter, but does that excuse that it is a pyramid scheme?? they have also clearly been rehearsed as when i ask was jesus rich or poor, they immediately twig and say he was rich and ignore it when i say but he had no money. the only time i got through to a pair was when i pretended to be a christian
uckg are a real problem as they are also ultra conservative politically .. how we deal with them i am still not sure
uckg are a real problem as they are also ultra conservative politically .. how we deal with them i am still not sure
social services didn't deal with her because they were cash strapped and hung up about issues of abuse and removing kids from guardians so .. wrong
UCKG didn't do anything because they believed and or encouraged the guardians to believe that the girl was possessed by demons. SO the guardians continued to abuse and in fact ended up killing the girl. .. so .. evil
so two things of an entirely different order of wrongness
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
If they believe in Christ as our saviour they're christians. Evangelicals groups are Christian groups.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
I was on the bus to Kennington the other day and I noticed a new centre opened up on Brixton road. Seemed to be offering help with alcholism and drugs, musical instrument lessons and prayer meetings. The Redeemed Church of God or something.
I don't trust 'em.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/news1/an010715-18.html
Along the way, Macedo has become a multimillionaire who draws criticism like the devout attract demons. A few years after he held his first service, in a tiny mortuary in Rio, unsubstantiated rumors began circulating about his multimillion-dollar international empire being little more than a giant money-laundering operation for the Colombian drug cartel. In 1996, the Brazilian press quoted Interpol official Romeu Tuma as saying that the U.S. Department of Justice had been asked to investigate the allegations; now, five years later, neither Interpol nor the U.S. Attorney's Office will comment on the matter. The unproven accusations of seedy drug connections have followed the church to Europe, where a 1997 report by the Belgian parliament claimed the church is out to defraud believers: "This is an authentic crime organization whose only goal is to enrich itself. This is an extreme form of religious merchandizing."
Along the way, Macedo has become a multimillionaire who draws criticism like the devout attract demons. A few years after he held his first service, in a tiny mortuary in Rio, unsubstantiated rumors began circulating about his multimillion-dollar international empire being little more than a giant money-laundering operation for the Colombian drug cartel. In 1996, the Brazilian press quoted Interpol official Romeu Tuma as saying that the U.S. Department of Justice had been asked to investigate the allegations; now, five years later, neither Interpol nor the U.S. Attorney's Office will comment on the matter. The unproven accusations of seedy drug connections have followed the church to Europe, where a 1997 report by the Belgian parliament claimed the church is out to defraud believers: "This is an authentic crime organization whose only goal is to enrich itself. This is an extreme form of religious merchandizing."
I was on the bus to Kennington the other day and I noticed a new centre opened up on Brixton road. Seemed to be offering help with alcholism and drugs, musical instrument lessons and prayer meetings. The Redeemed Church of God or something.
I don't trust 'em.
you're right they are all crooks .. but tragically the fulfill a social need and while i want to hate them actually they just show us how we ( me included) are failing our neighbours and fellow humans
ajdown
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"Some", certainly. All? Certainly not.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
Good post
some links that are relevant
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=31&sid=1738026
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...at-drives-evil-from-the-possessed-701515.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1314707/Purging-of-demons-nets-millions.html
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/236...uggesting-that-blessed-oil-cured-heart-defect
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They are all mental.
blossie33
trailer trash
They are EVERYWHERE in north London at the moment - Hackney, Finsbury Park, Angel, even Muswell Hill and have been for the last couple of weeks. It seems to be a full on crusade - I assume they have to have permission from the council to do this?
People give to them because they think they are giving to a general charitable cause (they ARE a registered charity). They were collecting from the Arsenal fans outside the pubs on a match day and I'm sure they had no idea what it was for!
I know who they are so I asked one of the people what they were actually collecting for - was it for their church and she said yes, for their churches care centres. I told her I don't donate to denominational charites, she was very polite and said 'fair enough'.
People give to them because they think they are giving to a general charitable cause (they ARE a registered charity). They were collecting from the Arsenal fans outside the pubs on a match day and I'm sure they had no idea what it was for!
I know who they are so I asked one of the people what they were actually collecting for - was it for their church and she said yes, for their churches care centres. I told her I don't donate to denominational charites, she was very polite and said 'fair enough'.
Jenerys
Stormborn
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
8 people collecting inside Costco in Chingford this afternoon, asked the customer service desk why they allowed them in and was told, 'they're a church, collecting for children.'
Riiiiight.
Riiiiight.
I saw them dishing out leaflets and trying to talk to people going in and out of an NHS clinic on Southwall Broadway. Pretty neat way to get a hold of people who already might be anxious and looking for a sympathetic ear.
In fairness, most UCKG footsoldiers are likely to be quite sincere and well-meaning. They seem a younger, more energetic crowd than the Jehovah's Witnesses. Wonder what the membership turnover is like.
In fairness, most UCKG footsoldiers are likely to be quite sincere and well-meaning. They seem a younger, more energetic crowd than the Jehovah's Witnesses. Wonder what the membership turnover is like.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
El Jugs suggested to me that street collections are always about raising a charity public profile rather than making money, because little cash can be raised by charities in this way (compared to other means). I have to say I agree and am guilty of chucking a quid in their bucket the other day before I saw this thread. Collecting 'for the children' is a bit of a fib, though, is it not?
fogbat
The Talibum
We're all someone's child...
They probably believed it when they were saying it. What motivates the footsoldiers won't be the same as what motivates the leadership.
UCKG make a point of trying to recruit people down on their luck and they argue, with some justification, that's a major part of the Christian tradition.
There's a big emphasis on lifting curses in the UCKG too, and on the spiritual power of words.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
My experience about how much evengelical church-goers care about the homeless:
A few years ago, one cold and wet Sunday I walked from Costcutter on Wandsworth Road past the local evangelical church.
A very drunk old man from the local wet hostel had fallen over in the street and was trying to get up. I was horrified to see all these righteous people dressed up to the nines ignoring him and even looking at him with horror.
I gave him a hand up and set him on his way - didn't do any more than that but I've never forgotten that incident.
A few years ago, one cold and wet Sunday I walked from Costcutter on Wandsworth Road past the local evangelical church.
A very drunk old man from the local wet hostel had fallen over in the street and was trying to get up. I was horrified to see all these righteous people dressed up to the nines ignoring him and even looking at him with horror.
I gave him a hand up and set him on his way - didn't do any more than that but I've never forgotten that incident.
ajdown
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That may be your experience of that particular group of church-goers - but it's not an absolute. Lots of churches have homeless projects of some description on the go, or are involved with one.
Do you know what church it was they were going to?
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
They're frequently outside Morrison's in holloway, but also just the nags head area.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
Tin rattling, knitting socks and donating blankets are different things from helping people in distress on the street face to face. I got the distinct impression this bunch of Pharisees didn't want to know because the guy was dirty, smelly and drunk.
It was the church opposite the bingo hall on Wandsworth Road.
Cid
Proper break this time
Still loads in Angel... whoever organises them is certainly a cunning fucker, absolutely nothing to identify them to the average passer-by, their emblem just looks like a heart as well.
Was talking to a friend about them not long ago, and it is worth complaining to supermarket management, apparently they often don't really know much about them and they have been banned before.
Was talking to a friend about them not long ago, and it is worth complaining to supermarket management, apparently they often don't really know much about them and they have been banned before.
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