Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
No, you're not nitpicking, you're misquoting me. I said he murdered two innocent men and that is correct. I do know he was found guilty of all three murders.
Harry Roberts has been freed
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No, you're not nitpicking, you're misquoting me. I said he murdered two innocent men and that is correct. I do know he was found guilty of all three murders.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Can I suggest you go away and brush up on your legal terminology a bit?
He killed two men (the two men he actually shot himself) but he murdered three - the two he shot and the third the other member of his gang shot.
Does anyone know what happened to the other shooter, BTW? Is he still in prison, or was he released?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You are nitpicking.
Answer to your question, dead. Released to little publicity, afaik, as Roberts should have been. And murdered a few years later.
andysays
Love and solidarity
You are nitpicking.
Answer to your question, dead.
Dead in prison?
ETA: I see you've updated your answer.
Thanks for the clarification, and I agree with your conclusion about what should have happened to Roberts.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Start a thread in the Feedback Forum. The mods are really good at listening to posters suggestions and taking them on board.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Died in prison.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's the other one.
I think.
One died in prison, the other was released and later murdered.
May have them the wrong way round. Anyway, both dead.
andysays
Love and solidarity
You and littlebabyjesus seem to have heard/read conflicting reports on this.
Do either of you have a link to a source?
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
How is what I said inaccurate?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I was reading about it oh, about 6 hours ago. And I'm already not sure I'm remembering correctly.
they are both dead. One died in prison, the other was released and then murdered. I'm not sure now which was which.
I was reading about it oh, about 6 hours ago. And I'm already not sure I'm remembering correctly.
they are both dead. One died in prison, the other was released and then murdered. I'm not sure now which was which.
One was bashed in the head with a hammer, over a drug deal, at the age of 70.
BTW, I've no problem believing that Roberts remained friends with underworld faces while in jail. He was a bit of a hero to them in fact. No doubt that strengthens the resolve of the police never to let him be released.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I was reading about it oh, about 6 hours ago. And I'm already not sure I'm remembering correctly.
they are both dead. One died in prison, the other was released and then murdered. I'm not sure now which was which.
Never mind - it's not super important, I was just wondering why all the focus appears to be on Roberts and none (or far less) on his partners in crime.
Presumably people know what will happen if large numbers of people are sentenced to actual life.If means hundreds of people with nothing to lose as seen in US jails.
By the way the scales on the statue at the Old Bailey have huge holes in the pans to let the water out.
By the way the scales on the statue at the Old Bailey have huge holes in the pans to let the water out.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
fwiw, spymaster's right. Other shooter died in jail. One who didn't shoot was released, then later murdered.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
I reckon we all shared that experience at about the same time!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Only because I burned the photos and the negatives.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's still an apology.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Even the question of whether it counts as an apology is secondary, as the main thing the parole board has to consider is whether he still poses a threat to the public.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sure. I mentioned it only because Mr. Hertford mentioned that Roberts should apologise to the families.
As for the Parole Board, whisper it quietly, but they'll have had prior input from the Home Office on this, as well as weighing the balance of probabilities as to whether Roberts is still a danger to the public. He wouldn't be being freed if the woman with the leopardskin shoes hadn't given it the nod.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You think? I'd have thought she'd be among the last people who'd let him walk.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's what I thought. But this appears to have changed in 2003.
http://www.bhattmurphy.co.uk/bhatt-murphy-78.html
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Indeed, an apology would have had little bearing on the Parole Board's decision. My point was that a sincere apology would not only be a welcome gesture of goodwill towards his victim's families, but would likely be in his own interests once he's released. Unless of course the Police intend to give him a new identity, which I don't think is the case.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Parole of politically-difficult lifers is always a matter for the Secretary of State, and most of them, to their discredit, bottle it amid a cloud of populist guff or (as Jack Straw did) try to change the law.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Hasn't stopped them interfering in operational matters, though. There's more than one way for the message to get passed down.
andysays
Love and solidarity
That's a fair point, and I agree that it would be a welcome goodwill gesture, but from what I've learned of HR he's not the sort of person from whom we can expect anything approaching a goodwill gesture.
I'm simply trying to correct the confusion which appears to have crept into this thread of suggesting that expressions of remorse have anything to do with the judgement of the parole board to release or not, because they don't. He can be the most unrepentant cunt there is, but if he's no longer judged a danger to the public, he should be released.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
And you don't think that a prisoner having expressed genuine remorse is going to be viewed by the PB as potentially being less of a risk than one who hasn't?
andysays
Love and solidarity
In some cases it would certainly make a significant difference, in others less so.
The parole board have judged that in this case it doesn't, and I consider them better placed to judge than you, especially as you have already stated that your favoured action would be hanging, and your second favourite would be simply leaving him to die in prison with absolutely no chance of release, no matter how little of a danger he is or how remorseful he might be.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well it seems possibly not in this case but you seemed to be rejecting remorse as elemental to any PB decision to release or not. That's clearly bollocks.
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