Gezi Park - Istanbul

[Poo Flakes]

This is Adana from an hour ago this morning where the red liquid has been sprayed marking the ground:

Apparently it's psychological to remind people of blood to cower them to do nothing.

Bloody hell! A clever tactic, it would scare a lot of people from joining the protests.

I have to say that I thought Erdogan was fairly popular and was from outside the old military cabal that has controlled Turkey for the last forty years.

 

[butchersapron]

Spotted this earlier:

Day 1 we were the terrorists
Day 2 we were the provocateurs
Day 3 we were the protestors
Day 4 we became the people

 

[Lo Siento.]

more police in retreat

 

[butchersapron]

Can't recall if i posted this context piece yesterday - well worth a read, as are the comments.

 

[butchersapron]

Another backgrounder, interview with a turkish anarchist (video).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Apologies for any repetition CNN report police using agent orange shells http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-980610

That'd be absolutely pointless. It's a dioxin-based defoliant, and the police would be just as much at risk from it as the crowd, unless they were wearing the equivalent of an NBC suit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

All the best of luck.

Two years out of date gas canisters.

Made in the US, too. Would have thought Turkey would manufacture their own, they get through so much!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah, i have been wondering what that nasty, orangey looking stuff was in the water canons.

Dye. Old trick. Means that you can just spray people with the water cannon, then nick them over the next couple of days because the dye doesn't wash off. You can bet that if the coalition ever get those water cannon on our streets, they'll be looking at using dye (or more likely "smart water") in theirs.

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is what happens with cuts to the BBC - this is their graphic to place it all geographically.

Only one source for figures the central Interior Ministry who put a 48 hour notice against the press for reporting an aerial bombardment massacre at Roboski.

From birds eye it also looks very green but each red square is like a six storey block.

Apparently the soldiers who might be conscripts or Hakkari volunteers/commandos (likely MHP fascists) were supporting the police. I don't know which is correct.

Top one looks faked. The font on "polisi" uses a differently-sized "i" to every other word. I don't know if that's a peculiarity of Turkish grammar, but if it isn't, it'd be odd to use an entirely different size of letter.

 

[treelover]

clear up in the park..

 

[treelover]

http://resisttaksim.blogspot.co.at/?zx=8949575ed6348a0d


new English lang blog

 

[TitanSound]

Sat here watching Turkish news with the gf. I don't think I've ever heard so many swear words in such a short time. They're making the protestors out to be a load of vandals. Of course leaving out the fact the coppers have been beating the shit out of people for three days. And having heard the gf translate Erdogan's tv interview, the man is a loon. A cold, calculating loon at that.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Apparently he's blaming all this on social media, twitter, facebook - yep, a total loon.

 

[miss direct]

I'm here in Taksim will update later

 

[TitanSound]

All kicking off in Izmir and Ankara now the media attention is on Isranbul.

 

[Greebo]

Apparently he's blaming all this on social media, twitter, facebook - yep, a total loon.

Basically taking a lesson from who the UK government blamed the so-called riots in London etc on a couple of years ago. It was just as unconvincing back then.

 

[teqniq]

That'd be absolutely pointless. It's a dioxin-based defoliant, and the police would be just as much at risk from it as the crowd, unless they were wearing the equivalent of an NBC suit.

Dioxin(s) are actually a really nasty by-product of a number of industrial chemical processes. Examples include the manufacture of insecticides or weedkillers. They have no actual use and are highly toxic/carcinogenic.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs225/en/

/pedant

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dioxin(s) are actually a really nasty by-product of a number of industrial chemical processes. Examples include the manufacture of insecticides or weedkillers. They have no actual use and are highly toxic/carcinogenic.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs225/en/

/pedant

To be more pedantic, "Agent Orange", which contained dioxins, was used by US forces as a defoliant during the Vietnam war, so what you mean is "they have no legitimate use outside of being a weapon of terror".

 

[teqniq]

To be more pedantic, "Agent Orange", which contained dioxins, was used by US forces as a defoliant during the Vietnam war, so what you mean is "they have no legitimate use outside of being a weapon of terror".

No what I mean is it's produced during the manufacturing process but not intentionally. However I can see that they probably wouldn't have given a fuck that it ended up in agent orange.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Have the Turkish authorities cut internet access? Seeing tweets for dial up VPN access?

 

[RedDragon]

http://imgur.com/a/gKAsu

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@ekesim Police is no longer tear gas but Agent Orange in Istanbul. HELP.

 

[Barking_Mad]

http://imgur.com/a/gKAsu

Cowardly bastard.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Aye, just seen the youtube of a cop firing cs can at a protester, hitting him in the head - then walking back to his pig mates punching the air. Cunts.

 

[JHE]

Question for those who have followed this closely and especially for those who know Turkey: To what extent is this a conflict between the Islamist government and a secularist opposition?

ETA: That is how it has been presented on Spanish TV news.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Doesn't look like this is going away...been reading posts of Turkish friends in the city with interest on FB, there's a real sense of this is just getting started, almost like this is the moment the people there have been waiting for..

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Truck drivers reinforcing the barricades -

 

[TitanSound]

Question for those who have followed this closely and especially for those who know Turkey: To what extent is this a conflict between the Islamist government and a secularist opposition?

ETA: That is how it has been presented on Spanish TV news.

I think this may have *something* to do with it but I don't think it's the main issue. My girlfriend, who's half Turkish and spent 5 years in Istanbul in her twenties, says it's a very complicated issue. It's hard to explain. I've obviously been exposed to a lot of her Facebook pictures and videos that her friends have taken. But I still don't really know exactly whats going on. What I can gather though, is that it's to do with wider issues and the way he is appealing to the more rural population with Islamic style policies. The whole Southern coast of Turkey have resisted him for a long time. Because they're more in touch with the wider world and they can smell bullshit a mile away, so I've heard.

An interesting point to note is one my gf made earlier. The police tend to be more working class boys and the army more middle class. Especially the ones who stay on after compulsory service. Police tend to be Erdogan style supporters (hence the lack of restraint in attacking or critical thinking) and why the army have always been more inclined to kick out a cunt.

This time around though, most of the generals or officers Erdogan knew were going to be trouble, he got rid of or locked up. I'll have to get more info on this though. Gf did tell me earlier, but apparently there is a prison used mostly for dissidents. You only have to look at the depressing stat of 70 journalists that are currently facing prosecution to see what agenda the government have.

Doesn't look like this is going away...been reading posts of Turkish friends in the city with interest on FB, there's a real sense of this is just getting started, almost like this is the moment the people there have been waiting for..

Indeed. The news is now focused on the "occupation" of Taksin Sq. But in Ankara, Izmir and even Besiktas district of Istanbul, more gas and more force is being used. Fucking sick video of a woman getting kicked by four or fives coppers in Ankara earlier.

 

[TitanSound]

Have the Turkish authorities cut internet access? Seeing tweets for dial up VPN access?

Only on 3G I think. There are lists going round of usernames and passwords for wifi hotspots all over Istanbul and Ankara.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

An interesting point to note is one my gf made earlier. The police tend to be more working class boys and the army more middle class. Especially the ones who stay on after compulsory service. Police tend to be Erdogan style supporters (hence the lack of restraint in attacking or critical thinking) and why the army have always been more inclined to kick out a cunt.

Just seen a photo of the army helping protesters overcome by cs.