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sihhi said:
The meeting was the normal monthly meeting the AKP leadership council has. It was not a special emergency meeting.
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It may have been scheduled, but I bet ıt was far from ''normal.''

An electıon mıght be Erdogan's best bet, but he'd have to tıme ıt rıght. If he waıts too long, events mıght get out of control, thıs summer's tourıst ıncome wıll be lost, the USA wıll abandon hım (they'd be perfectly happy wıth a CHP government), and even hıs own people mıght be tempted to throw hım under the bus.

The stupıdest thıng he could do ıs try to clear the streets by force. Even ıf he wıns on the day, the result would be stalemate, massıve cıvıl dısobedıence, strıkes, capıtal flıght, kıss the Olympıcs goodbye, terrorısm from both sıdes and general chaos. Then there'd be good grounds for a mılıtary coup.

Erdogan's not stupıd. But he ıs macho, self-rıghteous and ın all probabılıty very angry. He could easıly slıp up now.
 
A military coup is not going to happen, nor is any kind of statement from any general like in the 1997 era.
It's just not going to happen it would have happened earlier had it been necessary.

There was a general statement before the 2007 election warning of primary school children at Happy Birthday celebrations for Prophet Mohammed, and also one before 2011 election warning against enflaming tensions between ethnic groups.
Both seemed to provoke votes for AKP.
 
sihhi said:
A military coup is not going to happen, nor is any kind of statement from any general like in the 1997 era.
It's just not going to happen it would have happened earlier had it been necessary.
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Well I wısh I shared your confıdence.

Personally I wouldn't rule anythıng out ıf the major cıtıes descend ınto chaotıc street-fıghtıng.
 
Mr.Bishie said:
Fuckin' nora! :mad: :( Any more news on this? Were they killed??
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Still in hospital in ICU, 26 year old worker in Ankara's OSTIM massive industrial estate/cente.

Apparently the alcohol law has already gone through - cynical - shops 200m away from schools won't be able to sell alcohol even though of course children are already not allowed to buy alcohol.
 
Tonight feels like a repeat of yesterday:

Ankara Kennedy Street
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Adana tonight
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Gazi Mahallesi again hit with pressurised water and tear gas to stop a march.
 
The Guardian's Luke Harding, who is on his way back from Istanbul, has more on fears that police provocateurs were involved.
There is widespread suspicion that many of the clashes between police and "protesters" have been faked, with social media suggesting that some of those throwing molotov cocktails are agent provocateurs.​
Video footage on the website of the daily Hurriyet shows a small group of four of five "demonstrators" lobbing cocktails at police. But their attempts are suspiciously theatrical and inept – with the "demonstrators" at one point advancing in a hopeless Roman-style assault.​
Turkish state media have broadcast footage of these encounters live, in stark contrast to the early days of the protests, marked by police brutality, which it failed entirely to report.​
One of the activists in Taksim Square, Sevin Turan, has posted photos on her Twitter account showing one of the throwers. He is visibly balding, wears military-style khaki clothing, and bears no resemblance to the thousands of demonstrators who have peacefully occupied the square for the past 12 days.​
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Luke Harding of the Guardian suggesting there are agent provocateurs involved in the fire bombings.
 
I've heard some horrıble reports from frıends about the battle thıs mornıng. Wıll stay away from Taksım today, ın spıte of curıosıty...
 
an ominous quote from an RT reporter on the ground

“There are serious clashes in the small streets surrounding the square. They are running after each other tossing stones, bottles and smoke grenades there. It’s a real meat grinder in there,” reports RT’s Ashraf El Sabbagh.

some video footage in that report

http://rt.com/news/police-turkey-taksim-square-505/


Erdogan openly jubilant about the removal of rags, as he refers to the banners . What an unpleasant little shite that man is .
 
Today someone trying to stop the march of riot vehicles - arrested I believe.
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There's a protestors truck but there are apparently lots and lots of police vehicles:

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This has gone around a bit apparently Reuters reported that the gas used in just six days was more than the total gas used in 2012 (the whole year) for the14 OSCE countries which use tear gas as a matter of course.

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Just had a member of the AKP Party on C4 saying the police were only attacking the illegal terrorists on the streets. Not peaceful protestors.
 
goldenecitrone said:
Just had a member of the AKP Party on C4 saying the police were only attacking the illegal terrorists on the streets. Not peaceful protestors.
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C4 also mentioned that lawyers taking the police to court for excessive violence were arrested on their way out.
 
As I follow it, they were arrested inside their building - this is them being dragged out - lawyer on the ground maced with a policeman over him.

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Very bleak - critical day police are now inside the Gezi park (picture as of 2 mins ago) - (one hundred and fifty) 150 police cars are waiting in Gumussuyu.

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Gazi Mahallesi again has large numbers of police roaming around the police station.

Graffiti at Taksim:-

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The general feeling is that this is entirely predictable so that the 15 June and 16 June rallies in Istanbul and Ankara can be victory rallies.

Not a single thing has been won. Zilch. Not even a promise or reinvestigation. Over. Nothing - it's wall to wall coverage of the PM's speech at Parliamentary group, occasional shots to female MPs in headscarves crying moved by PM saying young people are the future of Turkey and everyone loves them, 5 minutes for the opposition leader, 2 minutes for the other opposition leader, nothing from the BDP speech.

The media has shown images of people throwing Molotov cocktails all day some plain clothes policemen some not - whereas images of the protests were not shown for like the first 4 days - and then there was a massive lull where the protesters were accused of being part of the usury lobby, or the alcohol lobby.

Ataturk and the Turkish flag is back over the culture centre, all the other slogan posters have been destroyed.
Electricity was cut in Taksim, the Park is now being invaded and tents, libraries, all the stuff being taken away, it appears.

Ankara's centre is under a cloud of smoke.
Police revenge is back on the agenda in Gazi and Bir Mayis.

Once again - nothing has been won.
 
Genuine question, how could it have been different?, more links with unions, workers, etc, was it always going to end like this?
 
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